G Kuper Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 Been lurking here for awhile and gotten tons of great info. B/C of this site I went and bought a timer to practice with, so of course I wanna know how I'm doing... I'm shooting from IWB behind the hip under sweater-type cover. My 'in the groove' times for draw-shoot one-reload-shoot one are at 4.25. This is with 80% As at 7yds. The other 20% are close Bs or the occasional awful dropped shot . I'm not a classified shooter and only shoot at my local ranges informal matches, so I'm just trying to get an idea of where I stand on this drill. Of course I have many other benchmark questions but I'll avoid asking them 'cause at some point it becomes ridiculous/painful . Thanks for any info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 You're off to a good start. For ipsc, unconcealed, it starts to get serious around 2 seconds for the drill you described. IDPA with concealment, I have no idea. the important thing is to stick with it and seek improvement. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 I would guess that would be about D class in IPSC, but only a guess. 2 seconds is a long time to draw and reload, even from concealment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 2 seconds is a long time to draw and reload, even from concealment. Really??? I think 2 seconds is rockin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 Flex, I meant a 2 seconds for draw, and 2 seconds for reload = 4 seconds for both. You can do a lot in 4 seconds. (Edited by Loves2Shoot at 9:27 pm on Feb. 24, 2003) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Kuper Posted February 25, 2003 Author Share Posted February 25, 2003 Thanks fellas. I'm cool with being a D student. Recapturing those glory days of youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 As long as you have fun and get out and shoot, to me that is all that really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Kuper Posted February 25, 2003 Author Share Posted February 25, 2003 I tried it without concealment, but same IWB behind hip. I average about 3.3 there. I'm trying to figure out what needs to be trimmed to get closer to 2 sec 'cause right now I feel like I'm BLAZIN'. Have to stop and collect my self afer every coupla gos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 You've got everything you need. A timer, and the will to improve. Now that you can nail the 3.3, set your timer for a par time of 3.2 and dry fire the drill till you can do it everytime. Then repeat at 3.1... I've gotten as low as 1.7 in dry fire for that drill, but the key is...you can't TRY to go faster. the desire to go faster will cause it to happen. In dry fire, make sure you're seeing something and not just yanking the trigger to make the time. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted February 26, 2003 Share Posted February 26, 2003 I shoot a little IDPA from time to time. I am kinda gamey though because I use a Kydex holster. I haven't tried the drill in question but I have timed the slide lock reloads, tactical reload, and the draw from concealment. Four seconds for a draw from concealment followed by a slide lock reload isn't that bad. Reloading a single stack from concealment with the mag behind the point of the hip takes a while to accomplish. Doing this drill with an IPSC rig in 2 seconds isn't exactly a piece of cake either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoliver Posted February 26, 2003 Share Posted February 26, 2003 G, I suggest you break up those movements and find out where you need to work on. Doing multiple actions gets very frustrating if even the basics need to be improved. Remember that integrating 2 or more actions is an effort in itself. Separate the draw from the reload first and cut your times there. That's my 2c. BE safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted February 26, 2003 Share Posted February 26, 2003 Excellent idea. I would also reccomend Burkett's step 2 reload drill: Start with gun on target. At the beep, bring the mag to just inside the mag well. Repeat forever. This helped me a bunch, and I warm up with it before every match. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Kuper Posted February 26, 2003 Author Share Posted February 26, 2003 Thanks for the advice. One thing that I was doing was to break the whole drill down. I did everything relatively slow and kinda pause between each distinct movement. I used the pause to look back at the preceeding action and determine if it went well. It makes more sense to drill each movement independently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogmaDog Posted February 26, 2003 Share Posted February 26, 2003 My time to draw and hit the A at 10 yards falls between 1.25 and 1.5s from an unconcealed concealment holster behind my hip, and I would guess my reloads are about 1.5 up to 2 seconds when I suffer a bobble. I've never shot the drill you describe, but I suppose I would take between 3 and 4 secs to do it. I'm a D class shooter moving into C class--right around 40% to 45% HF on my classifiers. So there's a benchmark for you. I'm gonna go dry fire now, so you don't get too far ahead of me. Semper Fi, DogmaDog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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