lablover Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 JUst got some once fired brass and started loading it up. I noticed that when seating the primers (Dillon 650XL) they were a bit tight. I could get them to seat flush but not below the rim? The Brass is once fired from cop shop. Headstamp says WIN 9mm Luger. Like a bone head I did not see if there was a crimp after deprived but did not notice one while they had the old primers. I heard the WWC are crimped but also heard the WIN are not. just got 3000 of them. Anyway to make those pockets a little looser EDIT: I just decaped a few and I dont see any sign of a crimp. I did measure the depth and compared to a speer (.119) The WIN was .116 hmmm They loaded OK but i'd like to get the primer below flush and I did have to slow down the speed I was loading at. Any suggestions? ideas on what this might be? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retread1911 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Easy enough. Solution is the same as crimped pockets. Swag them. If you don't have a swager I can run them through the 1050 PM and we can talk.... send primers with them and I will send them back primed. Retread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Retread does good work! He swaged some WCC for me and it loaded like butter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Win used to be my favorite 9mm brass, and I have a ton of it saved from when I used to buy the Winchester 100 packs before I got into reloading. I've heard their newer brass is not as desireable, and FC is the new "premium" once fired brass. A super swage 600 will fix them, and come in handy if you ever get into any .mil caliber rifle reloading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lablover Posted October 10, 2012 Author Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) Now being new to dillon and progressives, the super swage is the hand swaging right? Wasn't sure they had something that goes on the press. Retread, I may take you up on that. Let me research the swager thingie first I also have a butt load of wcc as well EDIT AGAIN...so if the WIN does not have a crimp, will swaging still help? I dont see a crimp, could they just be real tight? I have no probs buying the super swage but would hate to get it and find it does nothing for these cases with no crimps Edited October 10, 2012 by lablover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Swaging can still help by rounding the lip of the primer pocket. I bought my Super Swage for 5.56mm brass, but have ended up using it on Aguila .30 carbine, which was not crimped, but was very hard to seat primers in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lablover Posted October 10, 2012 Author Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) Tried something. I deprimed a few of the WIN cases and then used my RCBS hand priming tool. Seated perfect with a little below flush. I wonder if my 650 needs some type of adjustment for the win cases? everything works great with allthe other cases. I saw on here I think where someone stuck a shim under the punch support bracket? Good thing I already have a few thousand loaded. I changed over to 223 for now so it's not like I need to worry about it right now. It is making me a little crazy. Called Dillon and they said it only needs to be flush and I'm probably deforming the primer with the hand primer???? Edited October 10, 2012 by lablover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I have run into some Win. 38 special like that. A careful examination showed that the pockets were a little tight with quite a square edge around the rim of the hole. The combination of tightness and square edge caused a lot of primers to get crunched in the seating process. I swaged the pockets on my Rock Chucker, then they loaded just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProGunGuy Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 experiment with primer brands. I have found that with win brass, some go in smoother than others. the only win brass i have seen with crimps is WCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lablover Posted October 10, 2012 Author Share Posted October 10, 2012 Hey Toolguy I think thats the issue I'm having. The cup hole seems a little more squared off than the other brands. At the mouth anyway. I'll swage and see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Something else you can do, but it's slow...is if you have a chamfer/debur tool, you can use the pointy end in the primer pocket to cut the edge off it. It works...but probably not highly recommended nor practical if you have a bunch of brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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