spook Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Ok, I'm from a very small European country. A country that deals with a lot of problems that the existing government has done absolutely nothing about. Now a man stands up and tells the people what he thinks is wrong with the existing government. The media and the existing government demonize him, until yesterday some sick freak kills him in front of a television studio. Polls showed that over 25% of the people would have voted for him. The man himself told in several interviews that if anything bad would happen to him he would hold the media and government responsible for that. Now he's dead and 25% of the Dutch had their democracy taken from them by a bunch of idiots (media) that is supposed to INFORM us, not tell us what THEY think is wrong or right. If you want people to know what you think, go be a stand up comedian, or go write a book. Our democracy was killed yesterday, by partial media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonedaddy Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 http://sg.news.yahoo.com/020508/1/2p6qd.html Spook, may I join your rant? The news media is infested with a bunch of people who have a messianic complex. They have chosen to believe that it is their duty to save us all from ourselves. (Actually, I feel pretty safe from myself.) If we all have to go without energy, food, shelter, and clothing, in order to "save the planet", why were we given the planet in the first place? And what good will it be to anyone when we're all gone? The enviros, vegans, greens, tree-huggers, and granola munchers are just a bunch of elitists trying to tell everyone else how to live. Since they are "morally superior", they feel justified in killing you if you disagree. Just like Adolph Hitler, they are a bunch of scared little people lashing out at anyone who doesn't march to their tune. Stay strong till the end bro, aint nobody gettin' out of this world alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 bonedaddy: How do you really feel? We could have an interesting conversation one of these days. Many, many years ago I founded an organization called Wyoming Against Nuclear Dumps. We worked with the Wyoming Outdoor Council to prevent the construction of above ground storage facilities for spent nuclear fuel. I was involved for two years with various representatives from environmental groups, the uranium and nuclear power industries, the Department of Energy, and various politicians and lawers while the issue was under study. At the end of the two year study I was actually in the middle of the road and I fell away from most of the environmental coalitions. The stories I could tell you... (Edited by Ron Ankeny at 7:27 pm on May 8, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonedaddy Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 I'd like to here those stories sometime. I'm not talking about people who make a personal decision to be vegetarians, or not own cars, or live minimalist lifestyles. They are living honorably. What I detest are people who want to pass laws that make you a criminal for smoking a cigarette in your own back yard. It's funny really, if we are to eat, something in nature, either plant or animal must die. If we are to stay warm, something in nature must burn or react to produce heat. These are the rules. We didn't make the rules, so why should we feel guilty about it? (Edited by bonedaddy at 8:51 pm on May 8, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted May 9, 2002 Author Share Posted May 9, 2002 Bonedaddy, I agree. It's OK to have some way of living that is different than what others do (Heck, that's democracy, right?). But if these people are so convinced that what they do is "the right way", they become a real PITA. They start flying planes into buildings with innocent inside. They kill politicians people like. They tell you it's bad to eat meat. I try to eat no meat (doesn't always work, damn BBQ's ), but I don't go around giving people that eat meat a hard time. I ate meat for a long time and I didn't blame myself then (or now for having done that), so why in the world should I blame other people for not living the way I do? Everyone has the right to live his or her live like he wants to, with the only limit being to not hurt somebody else (unless they hurt you first Now we have seen the whole extreme right thing didn't work out (WWII), and therefore a lot of people think "going the other way" is better, just because it's different from being a nazi. What a bunch of crap. All of these systems failed, because they all tried to hurt people, or as they called it "convincing the others that they are wrong". So I think it's great if you are a hippie, tree-hugger, muslim, christian or whatever. Just let me be who I am, and don't try to convince me that I'm wrong when I ask you not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 The problem, as I see it, is most politics is based on religion. Environmentalism is a religion - not a science. Most environmental and animal rights organizations exist only to generate lush salaries for the few radicals at the top of the food chain. Little to none of the money actually is spent "protecting" anything. Because they're religions, they feel justified in using any means at their disposal to get their way, including Terrorism. Liberalism and Socialism are religions as well. There isn't a lot of evidence that they make life better for anyone anywhere, but vocally oppose either pillar publicly and prepare to be marked for death by the Taliban, like in Denmark. After college, I had zero respect for the media or anyone in it. America's educational institutions deliberately and blatantly encourage journalists to bias news coverage to affect a desired outcome. As such, today's journalists are a truly cynical, manipulative and sadistic lot. The killing in Denmark is just a flashback to 1935. It's the EXACT technique Hitler used to obtain and maintain power. Use the power of the media to distort the truth - then kill anyone who opposes you. (Think I'm exaggerating? Read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." The parallels are depressingly familiar.) So, who are the Nazis now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Boit Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 I've always believed that medias are not partial and would never be. We just had the example here in france during the presidential elections. Medias told us for weeks and weeks that the second run of the election would oppose Jospin (socialist) and Chirac (former president) . The evening of the first run , it was a big surprise, mostly for the medias, not for most of us who knows that people would blame Jospin for the last five years of its governement. When they saw Lepen at the second run, it was like a big coalition against him, and again medias told us for days and days what is good for us and what is dangerous for us. I thanks them because I'm so stupid that i can't make my own decision ! But THEY made Lepen's campaign, each and everyday, on the papers, TV news, they didn't stop talking about insecurity, unemployement... Maybe you heard or read on this forum the try from Jospin to ban our guns because as we all knows, if there are no guns, there is no Crime ! Here again, medias talked about this for days and days, they said we were using "war weapons" for the sports ! They said you can buy an AK47 freely , bazookas, that sports shooters had to be blamed for the shooting in the town hall of Nanterre, but they forgot to say that it was due to the inaction of the governement . . . I don't trust medias anymore. DVC Julien (Edited by Julien Boit at 5:48 am on May 9, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonedaddy Posted May 10, 2002 Share Posted May 10, 2002 spook, what a great rant you started! kudos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted May 10, 2002 Author Share Posted May 10, 2002 Thanks for the support guys. It helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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