soe400club Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Hello everyone, Has anyone used 38 spl Remington 148 gr HBWC with VV-N310? Just trying to find an accurate load for 50 yards. Thank You in advance!!!! I have been using 231 at 3.1 gr and Bullseye at 2.7-2.8 gr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Service Desk Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 VV310 is powerful stuff... I have experimented with up to 2.4 grains and had mixed results with HBWC and cast 148 WC. There was no big difference between Bullseye, 231 or VV310 in terms of accuracy but the VV is a lot cleaner. WST seems like a good alternative at around 3 grains - but you have gotta' brush at every opportunity.....452AA was very good, but you can't get it anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reptoid Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 (edited) 2.4-2.5 grs. will work pretty well in 38 spl. brass. I've shot quite a few when I was shooting PPC. Also shot a lot of 3.1 grs. of WW 231 but 3.0 grs AA #2 was consistently the most accurate out of my revolvers. Edited April 10, 2012 by reptoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soe400club Posted April 22, 2012 Author Share Posted April 22, 2012 2.4-2.5 grs. will work pretty well in 38 spl. brass. I've shot quite a few when I was shooting PPC. Also shot a lot of 3.1 grs. of WW 231 but 3.0 grs AA #2 was consistently the most accurate out of my revolvers. Thank You guys!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noylj Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I have tried 2.3gn to 2.9gn of N310 and had lots of small groups. Had more consistently small groups with AA2 (2.8 to 3.1gn). Some things to watch for: 1) If shooting in a semi-auto, try unsized brass, particularly after you have already fired a light load in your semi. The recoil spring will close the slide on the round, which will be tight in the chamber. 2) Be very sure that the base of the bullet is not being swaged down when seating the bullet. The Remington's are 0.360-0.361" at the skirt. Pull a seating bullet and compare before and after dimensions. You may need a larger expander plug that can expand the case, over the length that the bullet will be seated, to 0.359". A standard expander will not do this. 3) Try R.P. cases. The case walls are thinner and you are more likely to be able to seat bullets without swaging them down. 4) If shooting in a revolver, you may need to use a Lee FCD, without the crimp parts, to size the case just enough to fit in the cylinder. Next, you may find accuracy improves by seating the bullet out 0.1" or so from the case mouth. 5) Your cases may need to be trimmed to a consistent length so your roll crimp, which needs to be VERY slight, will be consistent. For crimping, you really should get a Redding Profile Crimp die. I tried others, but the Redding makes the most consistently accurate ammunition. Also, with the Redding, your case length is not that critical for a good crimp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soe400club Posted May 12, 2012 Author Share Posted May 12, 2012 VV310 is powerful stuff... I have experimented with up to 2.4 grains and had mixed results with HBWC and cast 148 WC. There was no big difference between Bullseye, 231 or VV310 in terms of accuracy but the VV is a lot cleaner. WST seems like a good alternative at around 3 grains - but you have gotta' brush at every opportunity.....452AA was very good, but you can't get it anymore I tried 2.7 WST with Rem HBWC 148 gr. Did not group good at 50 yards... You recommend 3.0 WST? How was the grouping at 50 yards for you. I have a 1:14 twist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soe400club Posted May 12, 2012 Author Share Posted May 12, 2012 I have tried 2.3gn to 2.9gn of N310 and had lots of small groups. Had more consistently small groups with AA2 (2.8 to 3.1gn). Some things to watch for: 1) If shooting in a semi-auto, try unsized brass, particularly after you have already fired a light load in your semi. The recoil spring will close the slide on the round, which will be tight in the chamber. 2) Be very sure that the base of the bullet is not being swaged down when seating the bullet. The Remington's are 0.360-0.361" at the skirt. Pull a seating bullet and compare before and after dimensions. You may need a larger expander plug that can expand the case, over the length that the bullet will be seated, to 0.359". A standard expander will not do this. 3) Try R.P. cases. The case walls are thinner and you are more likely to be able to seat bullets without swaging them down. 4) If shooting in a revolver, you may need to use a Lee FCD, without the crimp parts, to size the case just enough to fit in the cylinder. Next, you may find accuracy improves by seating the bullet out 0.1" or so from the case mouth. 5) Your cases may need to be trimmed to a consistent length so your roll crimp, which needs to be VERY slight, will be consistent. For crimping, you really should get a Redding Profile Crimp die. I tried others, but the Redding makes the most consistently accurate ammunition. Also, with the Redding, your case length is not that critical for a good crimp. Thank you Sir for you info.. Sorry never heard of AA2. Is that Accurate Arms # 2. Thanks in advance!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Service Desk Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 VV310 is powerful stuff... I have experimented with up to 2.4 grains and had mixed results with HBWC and cast 148 WC. There was no big difference between Bullseye, 231 or VV310 in terms of accuracy but the VV is a lot cleaner. WST seems like a good alternative at around 3 grains - but you have gotta' brush at every opportunity.....452AA was very good, but you can't get it anymore I tried 2.7 WST with Rem HBWC 148 gr. Did not group good at 50 yards... You recommend 3.0 WST? How was the grouping at 50 yards for you. I have a 1:14 twist. 3.0 grains of WST delivers good accuracy in my 1:14 twist Douglas barrels - I load so that about 1/16" of the projectile is out of the case and use a very light roll crimp. Group size is usually 2" or better off hand at 50 yards. In a sitting position it is not uncommon to have three or four holes touching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soe400club Posted May 14, 2012 Author Share Posted May 14, 2012 VV310 is powerful stuff... I have experimented with up to 2.4 grains and had mixed results with HBWC and cast 148 WC. There was no big difference between Bullseye, 231 or VV310 in terms of accuracy but the VV is a lot cleaner. WST seems like a good alternative at around 3 grains - but you have gotta' brush at every opportunity.....452AA was very good, but you can't get it anymore I tried 2.7 WST with Rem HBWC 148 gr. Did not group good at 50 yards... You recommend 3.0 WST? How was the grouping at 50 yards for you. I have a 1:14 twist. 3.0 grains of WST delivers good accuracy in my 1:14 twist Douglas barrels - I load so that about 1/16" of the projectile is out of the case and use a very light roll crimp. Group size is usually 2" or better off hand at 50 yards. In a sitting position it is not uncommon to have three or four holes touching. Awesome!!!! Thank You!!! Just trying to find good loads for PPC 50 yard line... I will try that load.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noylj Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 AA2 = Accurate Arms #2. If you haven't tried it, I would recommend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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