para45 Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 What changes would make the most difference to get more velocity out of a Para P-14. I have one and my brother has one and his is shooting 100 ft/sec less and I don't want to bump up my loads. Before I start swapping parts I was hoping someone could suggest a first course of action. Thanks, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 One barrel is likely tighter (maybe, less worn out) than the other. I think I would bump up the loads. You should be able to do that safely in 45. What load are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
para45 Posted July 6, 2004 Author Share Posted July 6, 2004 I am at 4.9 of v320 with a 230 g Montana Gold CMJ using it in my Para p-14 and my 625. I have already made up some loads in 5.0, 5.2 and 5.4 to try out also. I may try the barrels tonight that will be quick and easy. Thanks, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 I am at 4.9 of v320 with a 230 g Montana Gold CMJ using it in my Para p-14 and my 625. I have already made up some loads in 5.0, 5.2 and 5.4 to try out also. I may try the barrels tonight that will be quick and easy. Thanks, John As long as they are fit the same I would recommend adjusting a load for his pistol also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slughammer Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 What kind of velocity are you getting out of the 625? Are you making power factor out of all 6 chambers? Where does that fall with the 2 p-14's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
para45 Posted July 7, 2004 Author Share Posted July 7, 2004 Additional testing data I did not shoot my P-14 last night (except for practice)..... GB will be my brothers gun...... GB P-14 4.9 v320 (this was last night) 742, 725, 761 (much higher than three days ago) 5.0 v320 726, 748, 783 5.2 v320 783, 739, 741 5.4 v320 800, 778, 823 Revolver 625 4.9 714, 725, 787, 811, 715, 728 (first moon clip) 742, 754, 681, 690, 680, 681 (second moon clip) 5.0 v320 688, 763, 709 5.2 v320 761, 792, 786 5.4 v320 819, 814, 809 4.9 v320 (loaded up one more moon) 756, 776, 754, 711, 718 Possible places for errors.... 4.9 loads were not measured they were just dropped out of a Dillon 550 the 5.0 > were all put on a scale. Federal primers mixed brass of all ages. I tried to shoot very level and about 8 in. above the eyes. The chrono is a $119 dollar new my brother got for about $70 used. His gun was not cleaned (barrel) from three days ago and now seems to be pushing them a little faster???? Slughammer ---Have not marked the cylinders to look for a difference in them yet will try and do that in the next couple days. Thanks in advance for your help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 What changes would make the most difference to get more velocity out of a Para P-14. I have one and my brother has one and his is shooting 100 ft/sec less and I don't want to bump up my loads. Before I start swapping parts I was hoping someone could suggest a first course of action. Thanks, John My brother and I had the same problem years ago ... his old faithful load of 5.8gr of WW231 under a 200gr LSWC made major easily (175PF back then) in his Springfield and Colt, but on a cold day it was too close with my Para and it's enormous chamber. We chose to change the load, and went with 230gr bullets and Clays and all was well in mudville after that. Some Paras just have really "slow barrels," whether it's the chamber or bore that is a little on the big side. There's not much you can do about it without rebarreling, so changing the load is about your only option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slughammer Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 I wouldn't bother to mark the cylinders, I'd just recommend a large enough sample size. 18 for the revolver and 10 each for the Paras. Personally I don't like to sweat at the chrono stage. When I shoot my sample at home, I want each and every shot to be making power factor + some margin. Trying to get three guns to chrono close may not be that easy. My 5" 1911 with Barsto barrel uses 4.9-5.0 of WST, Federal Primer and 200LSWC to make major (4.7 WST with Winchester Primer). My 5" 625 takes 5.0 of WST, Federal Primer and 230 JRN to make it. I started lower and had to keep bumping it up until I knew my 3 shots would make it. (I'd have to check the load books before I put this in the unsupported chamber of the 1911.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
para45 Posted July 9, 2004 Author Share Posted July 9, 2004 Thanks guys I think I will bump up to 5.1 and shoot for a while checking the chrono every time I get a chance. Your input saved me tons of time (and frustration) I could be spending working on other aspects of the game. Thanks again, John DVC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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