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What changes would make the most difference to get more velocity out of a Para P-14. I have one and my brother has one and his is shooting 100 ft/sec less and I don't want to bump up my loads. Before I start swapping parts I was hoping someone could suggest a first course of action. Thanks, John

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I am at 4.9 of v320 with a 230 g Montana Gold CMJ using it in my Para p-14 and my 625. I have already made up some loads in 5.0, 5.2 and 5.4 to try out also. I may try the barrels tonight that will be quick and easy. Thanks, John

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I am at 4.9 of v320 with a 230 g Montana Gold CMJ using it in my Para p-14 and my 625. I have already made up some loads in 5.0, 5.2 and 5.4 to try out also. I may try the barrels tonight that will be quick and easy. Thanks, John

As long as they are fit the same :) I would recommend adjusting a load for his pistol also.

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Additional testing data I did not shoot my P-14 last night (except for practice).....

GB will be my brothers gun......

GB P-14

4.9 v320 (this was last night)

742, 725, 761 (much higher than three days ago)

5.0 v320

726, 748, 783

5.2 v320

783, 739, 741

5.4 v320

800, 778, 823

Revolver 625

4.9

714, 725, 787, 811, 715, 728 (first moon clip)

742, 754, 681, 690, 680, 681 (second moon clip)

5.0 v320

688, 763, 709

5.2 v320

761, 792, 786

5.4 v320

819, 814, 809

4.9 v320 (loaded up one more moon)

756, 776, 754, 711, 718

Possible places for errors....

4.9 loads were not measured they were just dropped out of a Dillon 550 the 5.0 > were all put on a scale. Federal primers mixed brass of all ages. I tried to shoot very level and about 8 in. above the eyes. The chrono is a $119 dollar new my brother got for about $70 used. His gun was not cleaned (barrel) from three days ago and now seems to be pushing them a little faster????

Slughammer ---Have not marked the cylinders to look for a difference in them yet will try and do that in the next couple days. Thanks in advance for your help...

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What changes would make the most difference to get more velocity out of a Para P-14. I have one and my brother has one and his is shooting 100 ft/sec less and I don't want to bump up my loads. Before I start swapping parts I was hoping someone could suggest a first course of action. Thanks, John

My brother and I had the same problem years ago ... his old faithful load of 5.8gr of WW231 under a 200gr LSWC made major easily (175PF back then) in his Springfield and Colt, but on a cold day it was too close with my Para and it's enormous chamber. We chose to change the load, and went with 230gr bullets and Clays and all was well in mudville after that.

Some Paras just have really "slow barrels," whether it's the chamber or bore that is a little on the big side. There's not much you can do about it without rebarreling, so changing the load is about your only option.

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I wouldn't bother to mark the cylinders, I'd just recommend a large enough sample size. 18 for the revolver and 10 each for the Paras.

Personally I don't like to sweat at the chrono stage. When I shoot my sample at home, I want each and every shot to be making power factor + some margin.

Trying to get three guns to chrono close may not be that easy.

My 5" 1911 with Barsto barrel uses 4.9-5.0 of WST, Federal Primer and 200LSWC to make major (4.7 WST with Winchester Primer).

My 5" 625 takes 5.0 of WST, Federal Primer and 230 JRN to make it. I started lower and had to keep bumping it up until I knew my 3 shots would make it. (I'd have to check the load books before I put this in the unsupported chamber of the 1911.)

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Thanks guys I think I will bump up to 5.1 and shoot for a while checking the chrono every time I get a chance. Your input saved me tons of time (and frustration) I could be spending working on other aspects of the game.

Thanks again, John DVC

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