No-shoot blocking a plate rack

[DarthMuffin]

Can someone enlighten me as to the intent and purpose of the bolded part of this rule?

4.1.4.1 Cover provided to hide all or a portion of a target will be considered

hard cover. When possible hard cover should not be simulated

but constructed using impenetrable materials (see Rule

2.1.3). Whole paper targets must not be used solely as hard

cover.

Per 9.1.5 no-shoots are deemed as impenetrable.

I am assuming that "impenetrable" and "hard cover" are synonymous.

At a local match this weekend we were using no shoots to block part of a plate rack, so you were forced to move around to hit all the plates.

Bad stage under this rule? Or did these targets have a function (as a penalty target) besides being hard cover?

Thanks.

[a.roberts]

A no-shoot isn't hard cover. It's a no-shoot.

If a shot passes through the cardboard NS and hits a plate, its range equipment failure and a re-shoot is required.

A better approach, IMO, would be to put NS's behind the plate rack to "encourage" aiming.

[Flexmoney]

Bad stage under this rule?

Nope...under this one (A NS target isn't hard-cover, it is a scoring target.) :

2.1.8 Target Placement – Care must be taken with the physical placement of

a paper target to prevent a "shoot through".

9.1.5.2 If a bullet strikes wholly within the scoring area of a paper target, and continues on to hit a plate or strike down a popper; this

will be treated as range equipment failure. The competitor will

be required to reshoot the course of fire, after it has been

restored

And, this one for what it looks like what the stage was after:

4.1.4.2 Cover provided merely to obscure targets is considered soft

cover. Shots which have passed through soft cover and which

strike a scoring target will score. Shots that have passed through

soft cover before hitting a no-shoot will be penalized. All scoring zones on targets hidden by soft cover must be left wholly

intact. Targets obscured by soft cover must either be visible

through the soft cover or a portion of the affected target(s) must

be visible from around or over the soft cover

If you want hard cover here, it ought to be true hard cover...as in the bullet really can't pass through.

[Bunchies95]

You are better off putting a barrel stack in the way if you want to encourage movement.

[Sin-ster]

You are better off putting a barrel stack in the way if you want to encourage movement.

Or a fixed steel hard cover?

[Bunchies95]

You are better off putting a barrel stack in the way if you want to encourage movement.

Or a fixed steel hard cover?

Steel hard cover must be at least 23' from the location of shooting (Rule 2.1.3). That requirement makes it pretty difficult to induce movement on a plate rack.

[aztecdriver]

All it has to do is partially obscure one or two plates. Two well placed hard cover steel and a couple of barrels can make a formidable challenge. I have a video around here somewhere of a friend dumping 40+ rounds on a 12 round stage because of this exact setup.

[Scott R]

You are better off putting a barrel stack in the way if you want to encourage movement.

Or a fixed steel hard cover?

Steel hard cover must be at least 23' from the location of shooting (Rule 2.1.3). That requirement makes it pretty difficult to induce movement on a plate rack.

Not really, 23' is roughly 8 yards. Set the plate rack at 12-15 yards and there will be enough seperation to force movement.

[Skydiver]

Check out this stage:

The black hard cover steel could easily have been a steel noshoot. (Actually the first squad scored it as no-shoot steel because it was painted white when they got there. The MD/RM gave the first few shooters options to re-shoot when he realized the error, and had it painted black.)

[Sin-ster]

Yep, those last two examples are what I was picturing.

[DonovanM]

I think the intent and purpose of the bolded part of that rule is to specifically prevent a club from spray painting an entire paper target black to be used as hard cover.

[DarthMuffin]

I think the intent and purpose of the bolded part of that rule is to specifically prevent a club from spray painting an entire paper target black to be used as hard cover.

Thank you for the answer! Guess that makes sense.

[spanky]

I think the intent and purpose of the bolded part of that rule is to specifically prevent a club from spray painting an entire paper target black to be used as hard cover.

This is precisely correct.