Sterling White Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 A friend just sent this 870 pic to me....said there were no injuries that everyone including the shooter are OK but went on to say that this incident did cause some concern! The incident occurred when dummy rounds and live rounds were being used during a training exercise. The investigation is still on-going but the use of dummy rounds has been halted per the investigation initial findings! Looks like one hell of a squib! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 HOLY....CRAP....!!!!! Glad no one got hurt. Major f\/(!ng bummer for your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 The ol' 20 ga. down the 12 ga. trick? I don't think that has anything to do with dummy cartridges, but is due to mixing gauges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 I agree with Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 May not have anything to do with dummy cartridges... but there sure is a dummy involved. You gotta be smarter than the thing you're working with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gun Geek Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Looks like an obstruction of some sort. Saw a Winchester in a similar condition - rupture was close to the muzzle so it looked like a banana peel. Cause was a wad that had caught on a loose choke tube. Next round thundered down the tube, hit that obsrtuction and... Unfortunately a typical response: blame the thing that is not likely to actually cause a problem because the ramifications of recognizing the root cause are too big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Beverley Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Not good but I'm pleased no-one was hurt. I'm not convinced this is the result of a 20 ga cartridge with a 12 ga cartridge behind it. In such a case the detonation would usually result in damage at the breach end. This doesn't look like a breach blockage but a blockage towards the end of the barrel. Nor does it look like the result of a plug (e.g. mud plug) inserted from the end of the barrel, that tends to result in a peeled banana effect from the end of the barrel backwards. The picture isn't clear enough to tell, but the barrel doesn't look heavily choked, nor is it obvious that it was fitted with screw in chokes but the damaged area would be consistent with a significate blockage a couple of inches back from the leading edge of a choke. It's certainly an unusual one. With regards to the problem of possibly mixing 20 ga and 12 ga cartridges I recommend (teach it on courses as good practice) and encourage any family or club where this could occur to choose a cartridge colour for the 20 ga that is completely unique to any 12 ga cartridges. For example choose a yellow cartridge for 20 ga (assuming they function OK) and then never permit yellow 12 gauge in the same household or club. Not essential but it adds another element of safety. Also when I teach basic courses I will usually remove a barrel and then demonstrate how easily the 20 ga cartridge drops in place and follow it up with a 12 ga to prove it will fully chamber. A demonstration speaks much louder than words. Most students are gob smacked. They haven't even considered it as a potential danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Beverley Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Hey Guys I knew I had some stuff on this somewhere. You might like to check out the link below. The source of the research paper is very well respected. http://www.basc.org.uk/media/shotgun_barrel_failures.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 It doesn't take much to blow up a barrel. Take a look at this Beretta. This was from my former roommate's friend when they were duck hunting. He had cheap ammo that got wet. The round fired and cycle the action. He did say it felt kind of wierd and you could see the shot leave the barrel kind of slow. But you know how stupid people get when they are hunting, so he pulled the trigger again. Didn't get the bird either. I always am nervous when I go out hunting with them. IPSC matches and IPSC shooters are so much safer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double down Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 He did say it felt kind of wierd and you could see the shot leave the barrel kind of slow. But you know how stupid people get when they are hunting, so he pulled the trigger again. Nice, but all to common with many things in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Beverley Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 A friend just sent this 870 pic to me....said there were no injuries that everyone including the shooter are OK but went on to say that this incident did cause some concern! The incident occurred when dummy rounds and live rounds were being used during a training exercise. The investigation is still on-going but the use of dummy rounds has been halted per the investigation initial findings!Looks like one hell of a squib! gmw2b I'm conducting a training course in a couple of weeks time and I seem to remember that this image would have been useful for this particular course. Unfortunately, I can't see it any more. Can you please help. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Beverley Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 It doesn't take much to blow up a barrel. Take a look at this Beretta. This was from my former roommate's friend when they were duck hunting. He had cheap ammo that got wet. The round fired and cycle the action. He did say it felt kind of wierd and you could see the shot leave the barrel kind of slow. But you know how stupid people get when they are hunting, so he pulled the trigger again. Didn't get the bird either. I always am nervous when I go out hunting with them. IPSC matches and IPSC shooters are so much safer. Scooter I'm conducting a training course in a couple of weeks time and I seem to remember that this image would have been useful for this particular course. Unfortunately, I can't see it any more. Can you please help. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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