harley45 Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 I've got a stock Colt 9x23 with the unramped bar. and wa considering trying this brass instead of the winchester. My standad load is a 124 gr at 1400fps and never any faster. has anyone got experience with this combo. Is the brass strong enough to handle this or should I just stick to Winchester? Thanks Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 The Starline 9 supercomp (9x23) is more than adaquate for major pf loads. the load you have described will be fine. If you are not seeing any pressure problems with the Winchester brass, you won't with the Starline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Agreed, for loads only intended to slightly excede major. However, I happen to know that Harley is interested in loads such as 147s that excede 1300 FPS (such loads being useful for pins, hunting, etc. I have only loaded 115s & 124s in Starline brass & my SV has a supported barrel. I have, personally sectioned starline 9 Supercomp and Win. 9x23; the Winchester brass was significantly thicker. I also sectioned .38 Supercomp and it appeared identical to 9 Supercomp. Best call Starline & see what they have to say. But again, I would not hesitate to use Starline for normal 124 & 115 major+ loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harley45 Posted March 3, 2004 Author Share Posted March 3, 2004 I bought 2000 New winchester cases for the super hot stuff, and only shoot those once per case. I want the starline stuff to use as a practice load at the police department qualifications. We tend to lose alot of brass outside and that gets expensive fast. (The 9x23 has become my offduty gun). The only load I want the starline for is the 124 at 1400fps 7.8 gr of vv 3n37 or vn350 seems to be the ticket for me, and shows no pressure signs at all in my Colt as long as I use small rifle primers. Thanks for the help guys. P.S. Carlos I finally got to 1300 fps with the 147 grainers!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Harley45, If you are looking for brass to use as "lost brass", you should try Armscor 38 super rimmless. It will run just fine in the 9x23 gun and costs about $70 / M last I looked. I know of 3 GM's here on the West Coast using it with out any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harley45 Posted March 3, 2004 Author Share Posted March 3, 2004 Where can I get armscor brass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Speedshooters has it or you can buy from ATFIC in Las Vegas, NV @ 877-258-0033 Price is same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Do you use .38 Super dies or 9mm dies to load the Armscor .38 Super Rimless? 9mm or 38 Super (or Super Comp?) extractor? I'm just starting up with 9x23 and have been told to use 9mm dies, a .223 shell plate, etc.... Whats the best die and shell plate setup for loading 9x23? Can I just do it with my 9mm dies and shell plate? (I did a seacrh and while there is a lot of 9x23 discussiion, I didn't see a "here are ther dies to use answer" anywhere) I'm thinking, from what I've been told so far: Carbide dies, 9mm Undersize sizing die? Lee Factory crimp for 9mm .223 shellplate Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIIID Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 I've been using 9mm dies and a .223 shellplate from the start ( over 8 years) no problems. Don't mind the coke bottle effect. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Pistolero Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 From what I have been told Starline has changed the 9 super comp brass to accept heavier bullets. Whatever that means. They have also changed the headstamp so that it is not so easy to get 9 super and 38 super comp brass mixed up. RCBS makes honest to God 9x23 dies. 9mm dies work just fine. I guess 38 super dies would work but you would be working the brass a whole lot. Somewhere in the forum I saw pictures of Armscor brass that was split all to pieces. I don't think the savings would be worth it. Especially in the Colt. They should have used a fully supported barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Driver Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Starline 9 SuperComp brass is great. Plus 9x23 arguably is the strongest case design out there. 9 SuperComp is even stronger than 9x23 brass, the web design is different. RIIID is right. A .223 shell plate is a must for 9 Supercomp and 38 Supercomp. It makes life a bit easier, less movement. The RCBS resizing die works well too. But when they get too bad, a 9mm CasePro brings them back for more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harley45 Posted May 9, 2004 Author Share Posted May 9, 2004 Since I got into 9x23 I've only used 9mm dies with the standard 9mm shellholder. SRT Diver, I wasn't clear on your last post are you saying the starline is stronger than the Winchester 9x23 brass? And do you think it will handle a 147 at 1200fps? Action Pistolero, Starline cahnged the case design to accept 147gr and heavier bullets. the winchester brass only seems to work with the xtp bevel base bullet in 147gr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Driver Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Harley45, Check out pistolsmith.com and burnscustom.com. There are 9x23 sections in both. After doing a bit of checking, turns out that the Win 9x23 brass is a bit stronger than Starline 9 SuperComp. Win has a patent on the double swaged 9x23 case. Looks like Starline is single swaged but it is very close to the win cases, according to the experts. I have not used 147's in 9 Supercomp. My load is with 124's. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harley45 Posted May 9, 2004 Author Share Posted May 9, 2004 It does help thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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