Guest bulm5 Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 DId a search and could not find any info. I am running low on my V v 320 and my source don't have any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 From the HTML load date Hodgdon provides on their website (no free PDF anymore ): 40 S&W BULLET POWDER GR VEL CUP 180 GR. HDY XTP COL: 1.125" LONGSHOT 8.0 1159 32,300 PSI HS-6 6.9 976 32,500 PSI UNIVERSAL 5.8 1046 33,400 PSI HP-38 5.0 947 32,900 PSI TITEGROUP 4.7 978 33,300 PSI CLAYS 3.5 847 34,300 PSI 200 GR. HDY XTP COL: 1.125" LONGSHOT 6.0 954 32,500 PSI HS-6 6.3 900 32,800 PSI UNIVERSAL 4.7 903 33,600 PSI HP-38 4.7 857 33,400 PSI TITEGROUP 3.8 822 31,700 PSI The problem is, that you won't be making major without resorting to overcharges - a VERY VERY VERY BAD idea with something as fast as Titegroup. I come up with a PF of 164.4 for the max. load with TG. A far better choice is Universal Clays with a PF at max load of 180.6. U. Clays will run you another $10 for an 8lb keg and is well worth the peace of mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 From the HTML load date Hodgdon provides on their website (no free PDF anymore ):BULLET POWDER GR VEL CUP 180 GR. HDY XTP COL: 1.125" LONGSHOT 8.0 1159 32,300 PSI HS-6 6.9 976 32,500 PSI UNIVERSAL 5.8 1046 33,400 PSI HP-38 5.0 947 32,900 PSI TITEGROUP 4.7 978 33,300 PSI CLAYS 3.5 847 34,300 PSI 200 GR. HDY XTP COL: 1.125" LONGSHOT 6.0 954 32,500 PSI HS-6 6.3 900 32,800 PSI UNIVERSAL 4.7 903 33,600 PSI HP-38 4.7 857 33,400 PSI TITEGROUP 3.8 822 31,700 PSI The problem is, that you won't be making major without resorting to overcharges - a VERY VERY VERY BAD idea with something as fast as Titegroup. I come up with a PF of 164.4 for the max. load with TG. A far better choice is Universal Clays with a PF at max load of 180.6. U. Clays will run you another $10 for an 8lb keg and is well worth the peace of mind. I easily make Major using 4.7 of Titegroup behing a 200gr zero loaded a bit long (for an SVI). I'm finishing up my invenotry of 200gr zeros, then I'm switching to the 180's. I've heard that Clays (just plain "Clays", not "Universal Clays") is very susceptible to overcharges and can easily generate a KB, but have never heard that about Titegroup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 They sent me this last week: Hodgdon Powder Company Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 2/11/2004 45 ACP Load Type: Pistol Powder: Titegroup BW: 200 Comments: .45 acp 200 gr data Cartridge Information Case: Winchester Barrel Length: 5" Twist: 1:16" Trim Length: .893" Primer: FEDERAL 150 45 ACP Cartridge Load Data Starting Loads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maximum Loads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure 200 GR. CAST LSWC Titegroup .451" 1.225" 4.8 877 13,400 CUP 5.4 957 16,800 CUP 200 GR. SPR JHP Titegroup .451" 1.155" 4.7 812 13,700 CUP 5.2 884 16,900 CUP And this today: Hodgdon Powder Company Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 2/16/2004 45 ACP Load Type: Pistol Powder: Clays BW: 200 Comments: .45 200 gr. data Cartridge Information Case: Winchester Barrel Length: 5" Twist: 1:16" Trim Length: .893" Primer: FEDERAL 150 45 ACP Cartridge Load Data Starting Loads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maximum Loads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure 200 GR. CAST LSWC Clays .451" 1.225" 3.6 759 11,800 CUP 4.3 888 17,000 CUP 200 GR. SPR JHP Clays .451" 1.155" 3.9 714 15,200 CUP 4.3 785 17,700 CUP Sorry about the formatting. If you email them (help@hodgdon.com) they'll send the data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Are we talking about 45ACP or 40 here? If it's 45, it's a no brainer. Pressure is a non-issue. For 40, I'm sticking to my proverbial guns. People might be getting away with it, but the available information would indicate that it's a less than optimal combination. Hodgdon's Burn Rate Chart: From Fastest To Slowest 1. NORMA R1 2. Vihtavuori N310 3. Hodgdon TITEWAD 4. Alliant Red Dot 5. Hodgdon Clays 6. IMR, Co "HI-Skor" 700-X 7. Alliant Bullseye 8. Hodgdon TITEGROUP 9. Alliant American Select 10. Accurate Arms Solo 1000 11. Alliant Green Dot 12. Hodgdon International . . . 21. Hodgdon Universal No, this isn't quantitative data. But based on where Titegroup falls - a lot closer to Clays (the known problem) than to U Clays - that was the basis of my opinion that Titegroup was not the optimal choice. My peace of mind is worth the 10 bucks. YMMV. [Rob are you sure about your data? That's a 24% overcharge. I'm pretty cavalier about loading to the max. loads because I know there's a safety factor built-in, but that even makes *me* nervous.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 **Bump to top** Some moderation needs to happen here to fix this 40 OR 45 load data confusion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bulm5 Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 My bad, it is for a .40 cal. Sorry for the confusion. I genrally load mine out to 1.210OAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bulm5 Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 btt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolJim Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Hate to drift but has anyone ever loaded a 200 grain bullet with N310? I heard this is a favorite of Matt Burkett. Last year I shot with a guy at the SSC that used the above and made major. He was using the exact same gun as me (Kimber .40) so I bummed 10 rounds off him. When I finally got the chance to shoot it I couldn't beleive how soft it shot. Soon as it get warmer Im gonna try to work up a load but I could use a starting point. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bulm5 Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 I asked for his data when he was testing it 1 year or 2 ago and he declined to give it to me due to loablility reason which I understand. It may be way too fast for .40 in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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