ButchW

The bottom of the case and primer are in never never land. The chamber can apart in 4 pieces. The large piece (top) with one scope mount shows one good for sure clean break. The back edge (1/4") has some discoloration (brown) but that might be where the powder blast had to go during "blow up". This area would have been behind the bolt by about 1" when cocked. 2 really small pieces one on the right hand side roughly 1/2" by 1" is gone. and a small sliver on the left is missing. I am guessing that is the 1/4" cut on my left check. I can't tell that any cracks were present. In the for what it is worth department... the bolt will not come out because the chamber has a slightly right hand bend. Alliant asked for some loaded ammo so I send #9-20 to them. They say it was within thier tolerances but want to shot and check for sure. Thanks to all and to God, Butch

I picked 2400 because it was on the 30 carbine & 30-06 scale. I am kinda recapping all... Alliant's spec on 30-06 and 2400 is probably not a good idea. Miltary Brass should be reduced by 10% load. (I never heard this till today. Some reference to "compressed loads" once upon a time; which I never ever use so don't remember the references. ) But isn't too little powder dangerous too?? (I am assuming all the bullets do leave the barrel.) I thought that is why most reloading manuals quote min / max values. Most scales min to max is about 10% and most reloaders at least with pistol say the most accurate is usually 2/3 between; that was really 27.3 but the powder die liked 27.1. My shooting is paper, preferable 300+ yards with high power rifle and a good scope which I don't own yet. (Actually don't own the high power rifle either now.) I had plans to buy new yugo. surplus 150 grain bullets. Or surplus 147 grain boat tails pulls. Or Berry's 30/30 plated?? So where do I go from here? i.e. 300+ yards, 2" pattern and the above? Or ebay the 1200 cases / reloading stuff and 1000 misc. bullets from 110 spire to 200 grain spitzers? Butch

This was the 8th cartidge I fired. All the remaining cartidges weight within a few grains of each other. Nothing says there was excessive powder in any of them. In the Alliant Powder PDF file is where I got that max load was 28.2 grains for a 180 Grain Spitzer. My old Speer book lists very few powders. http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/Rec...mp;bulletid=259 I normally load 9 mm and I never noticed, other than FPS values, powder differences between plated, hollow points, FMJ, lead type bullets for the same grain bullet weight. To God be the glory and the thanks. Butch

My Winchester Model 70 30-06 is in pieces and looking for any info not to add any other guns to the scrap heap or this human being. I am fine for those who would ask; a few minor face scratches. I have a dillon 650 with powder check system and a spot light on the left side of press. I used 27.1 grains Alliant 2400 powder Federal large rifle primers. Old military brass once fired then pockets swagged (spelling??). 180 Gr. Sierra soft point round nose bullets. The gun was the older style Model 70 that can not be loaded as a single shot; bolt requires full travel to latch onto case. Gun had less that 100 rounds ever shot thru it. I read in the forum about low case load under Gallery > Opps. 27 grains is about half the available space of the 30-06 case. And the way I was loading the cases on the bench would have put more powder toward the bullet side. (54 grains overflows but not by much. So I know the case was not 'doubled loaded' for sure.) But then I read where someone has been using 13 grains in 30-06 for years which for sure is less than half the case inside space. The gun split in half. I was holding the walnut stock, breach, and bolt in my right hand with elbow still resting on the shooting range "table" finger on the trigger and the 2 unshot cartidges were pushed out the bottom of the gun and laying on the "table." Scope and mounts landed 3 feet away over my right shoulder. The barrel ended up about 7 feet in front of me and to my right; still entact. The brass case is still in the barrel without the bottom that the bolt clamps onto. The bullet killed my "custom $6 pvc tubing target holder". The bullet hit 6" left 12" high from target. The best I can tell the brass case still has a neck... more later on this I can't see it real well with just a flash light. Thanks, Butch

In the what it is worth department. I have been using Alliant 2400 for years in 30 carbine with the 100 gr. plinker & various 110 FMJ / plated / Soft nose. 15 grains is in many instances is a "compressed" load in that small of a case with certain bullets. Use the reloading data from Alliant. My reloading manual says 13.x is max. vs. 10.x from alliant. Butch