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He-Man 3-Gun Nationals - NRA Whittington Center May 16-17, 2020. https://heman3gun.webs.com/
Johnson 3-Gun RM3G - NRA Whittington Center August 15-16, 2020. https://rm3gworld.webs.com/
Johnson 3-Gun 2-Rifle Match - NRA Whittington Center Coal Canyon May 30-31, 2020. https://johnson3gun.webs.com/
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We just started the waitlist...send stuff in and we'll get you on it. I am working on scheduling to allow more in, but we have to wait and see!
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Our He-Man Edition is just around the corner! May 18-19, 2019 at the NRA Whittington Center
Have a few slots left. Applications at: https://heman3gun.webs.com/
Here's the plan:
Stage 1 – 3-Gun (Slung Shotgun) – 12 Rifle steel from 175-600 yards, 12 pistol, 6 slugs, 6 bird
Stage 2 – Rifle/Pistol – 15 rifle steel from 80 – 550, 4 rifle paper, 2 rifle clays, 14 pistol steel, 2 pistol clays and 5 pistol paper
Stage 3 – 3-Gun (Rifle Sling) – 26 birdshot (throwers, launchers, swingers), 8 pistol steel, 12 rifle steel 65-425 yard
Stage 4 – 3-Gun (Rifle Sling) – 2 slugs, 12 birdshot, 10 rifle steel, 4 rifle paper, 8 pistol steel, 4 pistol paper
Stage 5 – Shotgun/Pistol – 15 birdshot, 5 steel and 3 clays pistol/birdshot optional, 17 pistol steel, 6 pistol paper
Stage 6 – Rifle/Shotgun – 22 rifle steel 90-275 yards, 16 birdshot, 3 slugs
TOTAL:
Rifle: 71 steel, 8 paper, 2 clays
Pistol: 55 steel, 19 paper, 2 clays (8 optional)
Shotgun: 75 birdshot, 11 slugs (8 optional)
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9 hours ago, kurtm said:
Philosophical question. Makes us examine the root of our rules and see if they still make sense or not.
A great example of a philosophical debate that did end up in a change was allowing red dot sights into limited. Mike Pinto and I asked the question of should they be allowed. Everyone responded with a resounding NO.....because anything with glass is an optic! After seeing that this was a case of "well that's the way it always has been, we decided to do it at our club matches anyway, and see. Two short years latter U.S.P.S.A. contacted us to ask how it was going. Since we kept the data on how much our limited division grew, and how many new shooters it attracted, they made the change as well....and then the rest of the 3-gun world followed suit. Wanna know about a philosophical debate about target size.....Trapr and I proposed the 4 M O.A. idea, and low and behold it caught on, just because of a debate. Before everything was a 10" plate no matter how far away....because that was what always had been done.
I am not wedded to this particular debate per see, but I was asked by several new shooters at our local club after two of them D.Q.ed at their very first match 3/4 of the way through. Their crime?? Moving their spare EMPTY HOLSTERED pistol off of the top of their score cards in the bag when asked for them from the R.O. . Handling a pistol outside of the safety area! Funny part the R.O. stood there and watched them dig in the bag for the score sheets and never said a word untill...your D.Q.ed. They both just wanted to know how they did on what they shot. Both L.E. and both won't be back. So here in lies the question.
That's chicken poop! Not a safety rule at all...more like a "gotcha."
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30 minutes ago, kurtm said:
And as an R.O. why didn't you stop them from doing something unsafe? Isn't it an R.O.'s job to maintain and enforce safety on the stage? Letting someone launch a round over the berm doesn't seem to be keeping anyone safe.
I think the rules are like laws. Just because there is a law that you can't commit murder only stops the good people. They don't stop bad guys. Laws aren't proactive, they just allow penalties.
You and I both know that many DQ events happen so quickly, the RO can't stop it. Now with some "safety rules" like wrong gun in a safety area...I agree it's not really a safety issue. But, like the rules of gun safety, if you are trying to follow all 4, when you break 1, it's bad, but no one dies!
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11 hours ago, kurtm said:
I don't recall ever saying you would walk the prize table after a D.Q. maybe that is what you all assumed, but I have purposefully not made any sort of connection to that.
So you agree with that post way back there, that your score for the match would read DQ. But you and everyone else could see your stage scores of the stages before the DQ?? I think most people thought you meant you could still win if you DQ'd and were enough ahead!
Just clarifying!
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Wanted to remind everyone, we have some spaces left for the April 13-14, 2019 Precision/Tactical 2-Rifle match at NRA Whittington Center Coal Canyon.
The match will have 8 stages where you use an AR-15 for 10 targets (for 10 points) and a Precision Rifle for 5 targets (for up to 10 points) on every stage. Some stages have you moving a distance while shooting, while some have you changing positions just a little. Precision Targets are steel out to 900 yards. AR-15 targets are out to 400 yards, You travel about a mile and a half each day and you can have scopes, bipods, tripods, bags on whatever guns you want. You should have a pack as you carry everything with you between stages.
Cost is $80. No prize table, but many sponsors and there will be gifts as well as prizes for top finishers.
Applications are available at: https://johnson3gun.webs.com/Should be a lot of fun!
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1 hour ago, RiggerJJ said:
Getting some apps in for the 1st 2 rifle match, 13-14 April...stages will be a bit tougher than last year, but do-able for the beginner! If you enjoy precision rifle AND action carbine, this is your match...
jj
Quite a few apps actually. Try to get them in pretty soon, so we can be sure we have a good plan for the schedule!
Apps at: https://johnson3gun.webs.com/
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12 hours ago, mlmiller1 said:
Sounds awesome!
We hope so...a little shorter, but you'll want to bring almost the same amount of ammo! Bwahahaha!
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Just a reminder...Johnson 3-Gun is having a smaller version of Rocky Mountain 3-Gun August 24-25, 2019 at the NRA Whittington Center
There will be 6 natural terrain stages. There will be NO PRIZE TABLE, but we have almost 40 sponsors already, so there will be gifts for various things and some cash prizes.
It's dialed a back for this year and we will see going forward!
Applications are available at: https://rm3gworld.webs.com/
Thanks to all these wonderful sponsors for their amazing support!
American Mountain Supply, Bravo Concealment Holsters, Brownells, Bruno's Pizza and Wings, Burris Optics, CArbon Arms, CMC Triggers, Comp-Tac Victory Gear, Crossbreed Holsters, Dillon Precision, Ergo Grips, Gun Goddess, Hearing Protection Services, Hodgdon Powder, Ice House, JP Enterprises, Keltec, LaRue Tactical, Luth-AR, Mesa Tactical, Nightforce Optics, Nordic Components, Redding Reloading, Rise Armament, Seekins Precision, Sentry Hexmag, Starline Brass, Thunder Beast Arms Corp, Timney Triggers, TOP Shooting Insitute, Trijicon, Truweigh, Vortex, Warne Scope Mounts, XLR Industries, XS Sights.
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Applications for the 2-Rifle matches are up at: https://johnson3gun.webs.com/
Because of the concerns and not being 100% sure everything will go as planned...
We ask that you send a $40 check in with the application to save your place. If you cancel more than 3 weeks out or a match gets cancelled, I will shred the check. If all goes as planned, you will owe $40 more cash or check upon arrival at the match!
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Johnson 3-Gun - 2-Rifle Matches
NRA Whittington Center - Coal Canyon
April 13-14, 2019
Sept 7-8, 2019
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Johnson 3-Gun Schedule 2019
April 13-14 - Johnson 3-Gun 2-Rifle - Coal Canyon
Pre-Sign up should be available. Stay tuned.
May 18-19 - Johnson 3-Gun He-Man Edition
Pre-Sign up will be available...look for applications in January.
Shooter's briefing 0730 Saturday May 18.
3 Divisions - He-Man Iron, He-Man Scope and wee-man
August 24-25 - Johnson 3-Gun RM3G light Edition
Pre-Sign up will be available...look for applications in January.
Shooter's briefing 0730 Saturday August 24.
5 Divisions - He-Man Iron, He-Man Scope, Limited Iron, Limited Scope, Open
There will be a buffet dinner available at Gunslingers II on Saturday evening for both 3-Gun matches.
The plan is standing RO's on all stages. No prize table...just 6 natural terrain stages for fun shooting.
September 7 - Johnson 3-Gun 2-Rifle - Coal Canyon
Applications and more information in the future: https://johnson3gun.webs.com/
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We've had talks, and there has been some motion...but there is still some issues.
For 2019, we will hold 4 matches at Whittington:
Johnson 3-Gun 2-Rifle match - April 13-14, 2019 - Coal Canyon
Johnson 3-Gun He-Man Edition - May 18-19, 2019
Johnson 3-Gun Rocky Mountain Edition - August 24-25, 2019
Johnson 3-Gun 2-Rifle match - September 7 2019 - Coal Canyon
Stay tuned for more information!
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36 minutes ago, kurtm said:
Might I ask J.J., and Denise, if the gun isn't "unsafe" why is the penalty at your matches "enhanced" to 30 seconds, Instead of just a regular procedural???? Is it to keep this "safe event" from happening, or is it really that much bigger of a "safety problem" that it must be punished more Sevierly???
Note: I didn't say whether I agreed or not, I just want to know the thinking that makes it a bigger penalty.
BTW Richard, I replied and I seem to be the only one doing what I do......go figure.
Because it is tangentially safety...in other words, a procedure to abandon gun safely...we apply a higher procedural in order to keep that extra layer of safety there. People will continue to take the time to put the safety on if it's a 30 second procedural, while 5 seconds...you've shot the no-shoot (5 second penalty) and sometimes, by getting 2 targets at once, you may feel it's a win. A 30 second penalty is never a win!
LAYERS works...but a gun pointed at the ground, loaded, not on safe and not being touched isn't unsafe. But, it's against the rules and is penalized thusly! (Apparently, that's not how you spell thusly!)
The reason we want you to put the safety on...if you have an external safety...is that you are less likely to crank one off when getting it out of the bucket or barrel, or putting it in..etc...layers. However, if you do crank one off, you do get DQ'd for unsafe gun handling. So, putting on the safety can help the shooter out as well.
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Johnson 3-Gun He-Man Edition May 18-19, 2019 NRA Whittington Center https://johnson3gun.webs.com/
Johnson 3-Gun RM3G Edition August 24-25, 2019 NRA Whittington Center https://johnson3gun.webs.com/
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So I answered your questions just not within the "survey" as using the term "unsafe" for a gun abandoned following all the NRA safety rules, just without it's external safety engaged is an inherently biased question.
THAT is NOT unsafe gun handling...that term is used for, but not limited to cranking a round off when loading, unloading...not pointing down range, breaking the safety lines, abandoning a gun in an unsafe direction...
If you're calling a gun that's not "on safe" unsafe, then how do you fire the dang thing safely??
WE DQ people for unsafe gun handling. Abandoning a gun in a safe manner without the external safety engaged is not unsafe. IT is incorrect abandonment procedure.
And again, NO, we have NOT seen an increased incidence.
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Sorry! I must disagree with calling a gun pointed in a safe direction(at the ground which you would be willing to destroy), with finger off the trigger, and no one touching it, unsafe...is NOT an unsafe gun. It is a gun with the safety not on.
It follows all the NRA rules for safe gun handling.
We can indeed argue Glocks versus 1911's etc, but as you are assuming a gun without the external safety applied is unsafe, I cannot answer the questions...as it is a safe gun...just did not follow all safety oriented procedures.
We DQ people for unsafe gun abandonment...gun pointed in an unsafe direction...not in the provided receptacle etc.
And NO, we have not seen a rise in guns left in barrels or buckets not on safe. It is very rare...I believe 3 penalties for a gun not on safe has been the most at our matches over the last 8 years or so. Some years, we have had one or none.
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There are some things changing in many places...never say never, but for 2019, the Johnsons are running 2 matches at the NRA Whittington Center.
May 18-19, 2019
August 24-25, 2019
Both will be no prize table...much more casual and sign-up will be in January or later.
Hope to see you at the range!
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Whoops, forgot to post here!
It's true, and it is with a heavy heart that we say that there will not be a Rocky Mountain 3-Gun in 2019.
Many reasons...but our sense of loss with the fact we will be missing the coming together of our 3-Gun family in the most beautiful place to shoot...well, it hurts.
There will be some "local" natural terrain 3-Gun at the Whittington Center in 2019...hopefully, under the Johnson 3-Gun group...just have to get on the schedule.
Thanks to everyone who has been a part of Rocky Mountain 3-Gun. You are amazing!!
Special thanks to JP for being the best match/title sponsor ever!
Denise
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4 hours ago, 1chota said:
Oh yes! Do bring bug spray rain gear, sun stuff...be prepared for anything!!!
Got inch and a half yesterday!!
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Here it is! This is a TARGET estimate. The stages are planned and most on the ground, so these counts should be close! Paper needs one A or B or two anywhere to avoid penalty.
You NEED a rifle sling. We will not use a shotgun sling. No buckshot required or desired. Birdshot targets are for birdshot!
1 –3-Gun – 2 slugs, 10 birdshot, 7 pistol steel, 5 pistol paper, 15 rifle steel
2 – shotgun/pistol – 10 angle irons and 2 clays for birdshot only, 7 falling steel and 5 star plates for Pistol or birdshot and 2 paper and 10 steel for pistol only
3 – pistol only – 28 static steel, 1 falling steel, 15 paper and 2 clays
4 – rifle - 30 steel
5 – 3-Gun - 8 pistol steel, 4 pistol paper, 12 birdshot, 12 rifle steel
6 – rifle/shotgun - 12 slugs, 6 birdshot, 18 rifle steel, 4 rifle paper
7 – pistol/rifle – 8 pistol paper, 10 pistol steel, 16 rifle steel, 2 rifle paper (this one will be more accurate tomorrow)
8 – 3-Gun – 12 pistol steel, 10 birdshot, 2 slugs, 12 rifle steel
9 – shotgun – 41 flying, swinging, running and stationary birdshot -
9 hours ago, Bryan 45 said:
Thanks Dan. Booking flight to ABQ. I've never seen that part of the country, I'm looking forward to the drive almost as much as the match.
As far as cardio- I've been practicing holding my breath until I almost black out and then doing Sudoku. Probably not very good training, but sure is good for a laugh.
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On 6/30/2018 at 11:40 AM, 1chota said:
39 days and a wake up 'til we're hammer down!
It is hard to wait.
There is a rumor that we will use the bayonet again.
see y'all there.
ps. no Sierra shirts this year. we'll tell you why when we get there.
I know! We'll let you shoot together anyway!
Denise
2021 3 Gun, Multigun, PCC Match Thread
in Multi-Gun, Rifle & Shotgun Match Announcements
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He-Man 3-Gun Nationals - May 8-9, 2021 Whittington Center Raton, NM http://heman3gun.webs.com/
Precision/Tactical 2-Rifle Match - May 29-30, 2021 Whittington Center (Coal Canyon) Raton, NM, https://johnson3gun.webs.com/
Rocky Mountain 3-Gun - August 14-15, 2021 Whittington Center Raton, NM https://rm3gworld.webs.com/