jt1207
-
Posts
123 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Forums
Profiles
Events
Store
Posts posted by jt1207
-
-
16 hours ago, HOGRIDER said:
@jt1207As a Super Senior competitor that's had a "love affair" with the 1911 then 2011 platform for 50+ years, I've experienced CMC, STI, CZ, Glock, Sig, etc. in various types and levels of competition.
I am now committed to that "upcoming" Limited Optics, 2011/DS style platform; and have ordered an MPA DS9 Hybrid! I fully understand it's not a FULL CUSTOM like an SVI or an Atlas, but it does fall in a "middle ground" price category that IMO offers a LOT of Bang for the Buck! And yes, I will be glad to compete in Open Minor until LO becomes a "provisional"!
https://masterpiecearms.com/cat/ds9-accessories/ds9-pistols/general-purpose-pistols/
As others have mentioned, there are definitely customs/platforms that would do an excellent job in LO; but if you've ever had the pleasure to own/operate an 1911/2011/DS platform, nothing will totally satisfy your "thirst" for that particular type of action.
HTHs!
I shot two 2011s in Limited Major and Open for 2021, then mostly CO last season, and now want to go back to a single-action gun this season. And you're right, 2011s do set the bar very high for a shooting experience. Your discussion and endorsement of the 2011 platform is compelling given the length of your experience. And I'm glad to see another vote for the DS9. Thank you for the insight!
-
16 minutes ago, zzt said:
A couple of points. If you go with a SS slide, you can have it milled and won't have to recoat.
If you want an SRO (good choice) on it you have to go with a mounting plate or a dovetail mount. A 1911/2011 slide is not wide enough to directly mount anything with larger than .550" center-to-center mounting holes. A dovetail mount works just fine. I have several on 1911 45s, and one direct to slide mounted 45. The oldest dovetail mount has seen 45k+ rounds through the gun with no issues. That includes major PF rounds along with 155 PF bullseye loads.
An SVI trigger kit is a waste of time and money. If you really must replace the kit, go with something like EGW. First rate stuff. My recommendation is the same as given above. Have a gunsmith work over what came with the gun. SA uses goon MIM parts, so you should be good to go for at least 30k rounds. Less if you dry fire a lot.
If you like shorties, you will not be happy with a TS2 or TSO. I'd stay away from anything STI/Staccato. Spotty quality. You may luck out. If not, you'll go through hell. Not a fan of Bul. The P226 is an outstanding gun, but not for Limited. The bore axis is much higher over your hand than on a TS or 2011. That makes double taps slower, because the muzzle rises more. Masterpiece Arms used to be junk. I'm told the new owners made a difference,, but I haven't handled any yet.
Base pads: do not buy anything that uses screws to retain. You want a simple , easy to use without tools closure like those found on MBX and TTI pads. If you drop mags in dust or mud you will be cleaning them after the stage. You don't want to have to use tools to disassemble you mags.
Tool less guide rods: don't do it. I had two Dawsons break at matches. Thank heaven I had a backup gun. I threw out all my tool less and now only use solid one-piece rods. They are quite quick to use once you learn a simple trick. They also don't break.
I build my own guns and for friends. I also work on friends guns. SA makes good stuff. You get a solid frame, slide and barrel. The insides are not what I'd put in my guns, but I'm not looking to save a buck. SA's internals are fine with a little smoothing and/or adjustment. Nothing you local gunsmith can't do in an hour or two. SA's factory 1911s have lousy trigger pulls when new. After 500 rounds or so they smooth out and you end up with a crisp 3.5 lb. trigger pull. I expect the same will happen with the Prodigy.
Thank you very much for taking the time to give me all this! This is very helpful to me.
-
8 minutes ago, Mike21STI said:
Out of the options you put there I'd pick the ds9 or the dwx. For the price the dwx is a great gun, the ergos of a cz with a trigger like a 1911. It's a great gun, but as you mentioned you'll send it for slide cuts but still be ahead of the game and we'll under your price range. I have a ds9 on the way but held one in a gun store and although it's not as nice as my cheely limited gun, it felt better to me than a staccato.
Interesting about the Cheely vs DS9 vs Staccato--thank you.
-
1 hour ago, Sarge said:
Don’t forget to factor in AT LEAST one spare optic. If you go with the good stuff you are looking at around $1200 for two
I'm planning on having just one--don't jinx me
-
4 hours ago, EVANB said:
Thanks for the input! Will the ammo cycle and lock back on last round fine in a 2011, 1911 or CZ 5 inch guns ?
Interestingly, the ammo functioned great in everything but the G45 when it was brand new. I figured I’d have to change to lighter recoil spring but the gun cycled it great after it had 500 or so rounds through gun. Maybe a little break-in period?
Additionally, I’ve never shot the steel challenge/110pf load through 2011 or 1911. The CZ is a P10F so that’s the extent to which I can give input. I would hedge and buy a reduced power recoil spring to swap in should you have issue in 2011/1911.
-
36 minutes ago, scooterj said:
Shooters Connection has a DS9 Hybrid in stock 2799.00
Wait time is next to zero. You’d have to contact MPA to get the sight plate for your chosen optic.
Thank you! I missed Shooter’s Connection when I was checking prices online. Quite a nice price difference.
-
33 minutes ago, RJH said:
I have a 4.25 prodigy so I'm going to keep my comments strictly regarding it. All of the upgrades you have listed you don't really need, after a simple trigger job my gun with factory components has a 2 and 1/4 lb trigger that is really nice. Eventually I might change things if something breaks but at this point I'm going to shoot it till it does.
The optics plates for The prodigy are $60 from Springfield but can be had for about $40 from Brownells
Egw makes a $50 mag well for the gun. I don't know of anybody else making a prodigy specific magwell right now
The 20 round mags are 140 mm. You just change the guts and base pads or probably just the guts and get 23 plus one. No sense spending huge money on Atlas mags
I know everybody changes the factory guide rod, but it works just fine, you just need an allen wrench to mess with it.
With an SRO, gun, holster, mag holsters and plenty of mags, I'm in at about 2,200 bucks. I do not have a mag well yet however as I'm waiting to see how these rules shake out. If magwells end up being allowed I will just go with an EGW
Nine is so soft I don't see any reason for a heavier gun, and I like the slide speed of the four and a quarter. I was talking to a gun builder this weekend and he said if he built his own limited optics gun it would be a fairly light rig. He's a solid masterclass shooter in open
The DWX looks interesting, but as of right now I don't think there's an optics ready version. I would skip any other gun that doesn't use standard 2011 mags, but that's just me. Good luck
Thank you for the Prodigy input. I’ve found that I like shorter pistols for the gun games so I would also buy the 4.25” version. The only part that has me hesitant is when you said, “after a simple trigger job [on] my gun with factory components” because I wouldn’t do it myself. What would I tell my gunsmith to do to the trigger if I don’t give him parts to install? Do I just ask him to “polish internals” and??
-
31 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said:
Just because it can be SAO doesn't mean it must be. A Rival, Rival-S or some variant of the 320 are all viable options for less money. And those come with magwells. You could also look at any CZ with a safety to run in SA. Shadow 2 for example. Tanfo Limited master in 9mm is another solid option. Girsan 2311's are supposed to be $1k. (Basically a 2011)
I have a 4" prodigy, easily competitive just tweaking the stock trigger a little add a tool less guide rod and magwell and be done. But, I probably wont use the stock mags I'll stick to other mags I already have and make the stock mags dry fire.
Thank you—good point about SAO not being mandatory. My issue would be finding a gun with a non-SAO trigger that I like to shoot as much (or very close) to a SAO. I shot a G19, G45, and P10F last season so I view Limited Optics as an excuse to shoot a gun with a trigger that I really like this season. I’ll do some Enos digging on really good non-SAOs.
-
From a woman's perspective, I don't think I'd have a preference for 5 or 5.4 shooting it as a range gun. For gun games, definitely 5" because I like handling a shorter gun. Here's a thought--this is what I do--I buy Fenix Ammo and PNR Ammo's reduced power/steel challenge 9mm load and that's what the kids and my girlfriends shoot when we go to range. The loads are about 110pf so they're nice and soft. You can shoot that out of a Glock 19 and it still feels soft.
-
Limited Optics guns
Thinking about putting together a Limited Optics setup. Started looking at the Prodigy and then wondered about other single-action guns that might work. I established the criteria below, based on the tentative rules for Limited Optics and on my non-gunsmith, non-tinkerer style.
Criteria
1) Has to be optic-ready. Meaning, I don’t want to have to send the gun away to have slide cut and recoated, etc. I just want to be able to mount the optic or buy a mounting plate and install.
2) Has to have a stock trigger I like (~2lbs) or can be easily upgraded to this (i.e., my local gunsmith installs relatively quickly and with zero-to-minor fitting).
3) Has to accept full 140mm capacity mags.
4) Has to have/accept magwell.
5) Has to be readily available (or close to it) for purchase. This criterion I think excludes custom guns (i.e., Infinity, Venom, Rafferty, Carne, D2, Brazos, etc).
6) Has to be under $3500 all-in (gun specified the way I want, and five mags) before optic and holster. This criterion again I think excludes custom guns and would also exclude Atlas in-stock pistols.
The result was four pistols that each have little upgrade tweaks that I’d do. Those upgrades add to the cost so I started to think about how these guns compare among each other once I’d have them specified the way I want.
The list below is built so that I’d have the gun and five mags. Three of the mags have to be 140mm, and then the other two could be shorter. For instance, both the Prodigy and Staccato come with two mags (17rd, 20rd) so I’d simply buy three 140mm mags and keep the shorter two for stage-reloads, for a total of five.
Also, I will need an optic on each so I’m treating it like a constant and holding the price equal across the guns. Based on manufacturers’ information, I can get an SRO (or several others) on each of these. I’m also treating the holster as a constant.1. Springfield Prodigy
a. Gun, either 4.25" or 5", comes with two (17rd, 20rd) mags (1300)
b. Infinity ignition kit for Prodigy (225)
c. Atlas trigger (60)
d. Atlas tool-less guide rod (65)
e. Three Atlas 140mm mags (300)
f. Optic adapter plate (90)
g. Dawson Precision magwell (70)
h. Total cost $2110
2. Sig P226 X5
a. Gun, comes with three 20rd mags (2200)
b. Two 17-round Mags (56)
c. Three Springer Precision extended basepads to bring to 140mm length (120)
d. Total cost $2376
3. Masterpiece Arms DS9
a. Gun, comes with three 126mm mags (3200) [*comes with 126mm for IDPA but maybe they’d be open to swapping for 140s]
b. Two Atlas 140mm mags (200)
c. Total cost $3400
4. Staccato P Optic Ready
a. Gun, either steel or aluminum frame, comes with two (17rd, 20rd) mags (2500)
b. Infinity Adjustable trigger kit for Staccato (300)
c. Three Atlas 140mm Mags (300)
d. Optic mounting kit (160)
e. Dawson Precision Gen 2 magwell (60)
f. Total cost $3320
5. Others that could also work in the cost range but were excluded based on not being optic-ready:
a. Dan Wesson DWX (needs slide cut)i. Gun, comes with two mags (1900)
ii. Three 19rd mags (150)
iii. Three extended basepads (120)
iv. Optic cut (200?)
v. Trigger work? (200?)
vi. Total cost $2570
b. CZ TS2 (needs slide cut)
i. Gun, comes with three 20rd mags (1200)
ii. Two 20rd mags (100)
iii. Three extended basepads (120)
iv. Optic cut (200?)
v. (I had a TS2 9mm previously and the trigger was 1.5lbs stock and I liked it)
vi. Total cost $1620
c. BUL SAS II SL (needs slide cut)
i. Gun, comes with three 126mm mags (2300)
ii. Two BUL 126mm mags (80)
iii. Three Taylor Freelance 140mm extended basepads (105)
iv. Optic cut (200?), recoat?
v. (I had this gun previously (but in 40cal) and the trigger was 1.75lbs stock and I liked it)vi. Total cost $2685
Note: There are variants of the CZ TS2 (the TSO) and BUL SAS II (the Radical) that would also fall into the "other" category, where they fit all criteria except for optic-ready.
I would like to ask for input here please:
1. Is there a gun that fits criteria that I missed? Does this list resemble what you guys are thinking for Limited Optics?
2. What input would you give me here to more inform my decision (i.e., what else would you want me to know)?
Thank you - Iliana
-
8 hours ago, jripper said:
So. I’ve got one. I got it Thursday. My initial impressions: it feels really really good in my hand. Like really good. Better than my a01s, shadow 2, spo1 shadow. Better than all my other czs. Trigger is crisp with no overtravel but a little heavier than I prefer. Maybe 4.5 lbs. I haven’t weighed it yet. Slide to frame has a little play but not excessive. Maybe a little more than I’d expect in this price range. Barrel fit is very good. The crown is crazy good. Major inverse come crown. Controls are what you’d expect from a 1911. It feels heavy but balances nicely and point like it should. Sights are good. I’m a ffl so I bought thinking I’d sell it. I doubt it at this point. Going to try to shoot it Monday. So far I like it better than expected.
I liked this one paragraph assessment better than 90% of the "unboxing" or "first shots" videos on youtube.
-
I've had good luck with Fenix ammo's 180gr. Only shoot local matches but i've used it in two different 2011s for the last three years and I like the impulse. Freedom Munitions 180gr works well too but it's hotter than Fenix and hotter than I prefer. I had feeding issues with Freedom 165gr--my guess it may be a shorter OAL than the 180s. Although I used PMC 165gr for one match and they worked great and didn't feel on the hotter end. Sorry I don't have more technical info here but maybe this will help inform your decision.
-
Here's what I've found works--take a screenshot of your photo. The file size of a screenshot is smaller than the original photo every time I've done it. Then post your screenshot as the pic. If I have multiple pics, then I simply add them as replies to my original post.
-
that is a beautiful pistol
-
8 hours ago, ezra650 said:
THIS is the info I've been looking for. Thank you!!
Hard to find someone who has tried the SVI and LSI. For a while I'd been hearing the LSI felt smaller but I wasnt convinced since it is not advertised that way.
Now I just have to decide between limcat and SVI for my tiny mitts.
I got lucky and my gunsmith (who does work for a bunch of uspsa guys) rounded up a bunch of 2011s for me to come by and try, and I already had an SVI open gun, so I could compare across a bunch to see what felt best for me. The trick for me was finding a grip that I didn't have to change my grip every time I draw and have to hit the thumb safety on the way up.
-
On 10/31/2022 at 5:35 PM, Goat259 said:
Of the SVI grips, which did you get? They have a Signature Grip, 1.25 diameter grip, and a 1.3 diameter grip.
Sorry, just saw this. This is the grip I bought (see photo).
-
I have small hands and wanted to put a steel grip on my BUL 2011. I've never handled a limcat, but I handled the BUL steel grip, PT, Cheely, LSI and SVI/Infinity. The SVI is the smallest of the bunch out of the ones I tried and that's what I put on my BUL. It was also the best overall feeling (and the most expensive).
-
I'm having a reset issue with the Timney+Vex that I'd like some input on. Bought a new G45 MOS for CO couple weeks ago and put Timney trigger in. Gun shot great. I have Johnny Glock trigger systems in my two other Glocks and love 'em and the Timney was about the same but with more crisp break--cool. Then I put JG new Vex shoe in and it functions perfect through 100 rounds at the range. Then shot a steel match with it on Sunday and on the last two stages, the trigger had a delay in the reset. I would shoot a plate and then have to wait (let's say 0.5-1.0 second) for the trigger to reset. I'm using the regular spring. I have the red spring that I guess I could put in but then I'm increasing the trigger pull even more (the trigger pull increased 1/4lb with Vex shoe install already) and I'd rather not do that if I don't have to. Any ideas on the cause and/or what to try? Thank you.
-
6 minutes ago, cbrussell said:
Is this Phoenix Trinity’s Policy or the coasters? Hopefully it is the coasters.
He’s quoting PT’s policy. It’s on their website.
-
On 9/20/2022 at 6:31 AM, StefVanHauwe said:
I see. I once looked at the the Shorty, but it cannot handle major loads if I'm not mistaken.
I have a Shorty and I run 9 Major. BUL assured me that it's built to. I love the gun (and I also have an SV/Infinity open gun, so I think I have a good comparison). I like the BUL guns in general. I had a BUL SAS II for Limited that I liked.
-
5 hours ago, Bakerjd said:
@jt1207looks great man. I believe we talked at a match about your gun.
Hi Josh—Yeah that’s me.
-
3 hours ago, motosapiens said:
i would advise manning up and shooting 40 major. I'm sure there are actually people who can get 10 rd mags to run reliably in 40, but all the ones who claim that seem to finally admit that they only have 1 or 2 malfunctions per match.
My sti 40 has never malfunctioned with 8 rounds in a mag, but it occasionally chokes the first round if I put 9 in. so put 8 in and act like a grown man.
Great post
-
Looks great!
I, too, took the plunge. Same gunsmith as original poster installed SVI/Infinity steel grip on my BUL SAS II UR Shorty open gun. Getting ready for coater now and I was going to post here when finished but figured I’d show support since SgtJenkins posted now.
-
On 5/23/2022 at 7:42 PM, iflyskyhigh said:
When I was looking for an after market Gen 5 rod, this is the only thing I could find that I liked.
I have the heavy Gen 5 in my G17 and two 19X’s. They work great. I was able to tune the guns to specific ammo.
Just get a couple Wolff spring and experiment.
@iflyskyhigh I'm looking for a reduced-power recoil spring for my G45 (so, same as your 19X). I clicked on the link you provided and they have the Gen 5 captured rods for the G19, but then I have a question:
1) do I get the Wolff spring for the Compact frame or the Standard frame? I'm not sure when they list it as "compact frame" do they mean the slide, or the actual frame? Because my G45 has a compact slide and a standard frame.
Thank you--Iliana
Limited Optics guns--looking for input please
in 1911-style Pistols
Posted
@YVK I went to their site and they make a good-looking gun. What piques my interest is their accuracy claims in the two videos I watched. Sub 1" at 25yds with factory ammo.
@Zachjet I'm going to google J&M (maybe J&M guns?). Thanks.