KMacari

The Trubore may be legal, as the law only called out a 'threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.' . There's still a LOT of confusion around around the new laws, so that's something that I would probably have to check with the State Police on (even though they are just as confused as everybody else).

Reading through the 'new' laws here in NY, not only are our Bianchi open guns now considered assault weapons, but any open pistol with a threaded barrel/comp. It apears that we can register then as assault weapons, but my gut feeling is thats the first step to having them ultamately taken away. It may be time to get out of NY soon! If not, there will be a few competitors at the BC from NY that are now considered criminals by NY law.

Thanks for the input...ended up (since I'm out) buying them from ULine...$49 per thousand seems to be the cheapest going right now. Plus, they ship quickly...I ordered them yesterday, and UPS is delivering them today.

Anyone got any good sources for the black 4" stick on centers for the NRA D-1 target? North State Packaging, who use to sell rolls of 500 for a good price is now out of business.

I would love to see it sooner-than-later, but I think that this is still a step in the right direction for Action Pistol.

Although this is tentative, is there any chance that same could be permitted at any of the half dozen or so Action Pistol regionals during the remainder of this year?? That may help increase the participant numbers at the local level, which I'd rather see sooner than later.

I believe that was Tom Schewe from "The Shooting Mall", http://www.theshootingmall.com . There are a bunch of photos on their website from the 2009 cup.

Anyone know what ever happened to the photos taken by the professional photographer at last year’s Cup? The only pictures that I’ve seen were a limited amount from the awards ceremony. I had thought the competitors were told that the photos would be online shortly after the cup for viewing and/or purchase. It seems like a great idea that didn’t quite get pushed over the finish line…… Ken

Hmmm....I had also purchased 'NRAActionPistol.com' quite some time ago, with the same intentions. Unfortunetly due to being soooo busy at work, I have not had an opportunity to work this site yet.

Indeed the mover is one of the more 'entertaining' COF within NRA action pistol, but it's definitely not required to be able to hold an AP match. I'm pretty certain that Tom previously offered to approved match requests that did not include the mover. Although the norm is to shoot the 4 main COF's that are at the cup, that is definitely not required for AP matches. Tom could speak about the requirements for a registered tournament (regional), but for state and other approved matches, it's pretty common for clubs to substitute 2 different events. Purchasing a mover can be rather pricy for a club just starting out, but I can say from experience that you could build one pretty inexpensively on your own. We have a 4 motor mover at our club, which basically cost us the lumber and cable to construct, and I have one that I've used for 3 years using a garage door opener. It took a bit of playing around to get the timing right, but basically didnt cost much of anything. Plus, it's pretty much portable (easy setup/tear down), and I think that would be appealing to a club starting out. I know I'm a little off-topic here, but I'd be more than willing to document plans and sent to any club looking to start up an AP program. Ken

The plates are spaced out 12 inches edge to edge.

During the winter here in NY (which lasts about 6 months), I run an indoor NRA Action Pistol league in Oneida, NY. This year I was hoping to run an 'Approved' indoor match, using both the NRA AP-D1 targets and the reduced size D2 targets to simulate the various distances beyond 15 yards. I have not been able to find anything in the NRA AP rule book on target placement of the D2 targets...would anyone know if the targets have to be placed at the same height as the D1 targets, or is there a different height (and maybe distance between targets) for the reduced size D2 targets?? Ken

Way to go so far Kevin !!! Been following the daily results on the WAP Site site...Best of Luck to you and all the USA shooters there!!!

I'll definatly second Bob's comments about Gary and all the other people from Hornell....they are a great group of folks to shoot and hang out with. I've been making the 3 hour trip to Hornell for several years now to shoot in almost every AP (and steel) match that they hold. We're also hosting Action Pistol matches at the Trenton Fish and Game Club in Holland Patent, NY. This past September we hosted the NY State AP Championship (approved both by NRA and NYSRP), and a registered AP Regional. We're working thought the dates for next year, as we are planning a holding a couple of additional matches, along with the State and Regional again(if approved). In addition, we have an AP league at the Trenton Fish and Game club, which we shoot every Wednesday from about April - September. We run all the standard AP events, and many of the additional events from the AP rule book. Holland Patent is about 15 miles north of Utica, NY. I also run an AP indoor league at the Oneida Rifle club in Oneida, NY every Sunday morning from January 4th - April. This year I'm hoping to run an approved indoor match at the end of our season. I'd be more than happy to provide you info about that league (or details about Holland Patent), and of course we welcome anybody to come out and shoot with us there. Although not set in stone, if we hold an indoor match, it will be open to anybody to compete in. I'll definatly post more info about that on this forum as plans firm up.

I find it hard to believe that there are already 70+ posts on this topic. It really seems to me that people are making this issue into something much bigger and far more complicated than it needs to be. My understanding is that the intent of the production division is to help attract new shooters to NRA Action Pistol, regardless of what type of shooting background and equipment they have. The production division would permit someone with an off the shelf firearm to compete without having to necessarily compete against the folks with highly modified open and ‘stock’ guns. It’s so simple that its frustrating reading though the posts on this topic…production should be exactly that…production. Out of the box, no modifications, right from the store, same firearm as everyone else has access to. Once you start making modifications to a firearm (barrel, trigger, sights, etc), then there’s a division for you…it’s called ‘Metallic’. Chances are that people from other shooting disciplines with modified ‘production’ firearms will be able to compete comfortably and competitively in the Metallic division. Regarding the 1911 comments…they belong in the metallic sight division…period. Add an optic to it….open or open modified division….period. This is pretty much the same way it’s been for years. If you want to shoot in the production division, go to you local retailer and buy a Glock, M&P, XD, Sig, or whatever similar type firearm and don’t modify it. If you feel the urge to make modifications, well, welcome to the Metallic sight division. Again, this just seems so simple. I’m tired of listening to the experienced shooters out there complaining that the new production division rules seem to be discriminating against them and their existing firearms. As I mentioned, I believe that the production division is intended to draw in new shooters, not provide a new division for existing shooters to try and dominate (and ultimately scare off new shooters that this sport desperately needs). Creation of this division is not meant to be an opportunity to try and get your name into the record books a few more times. I think what Tom and the Action Pistol committee have recently decided is right on the money. This will help new shooters compete comfortably without feeling like they have to play the ‘firearm modification game’ just to try and compete. New shooters interested in trying out NRA Action Pistol (and by the way, there is MUCH MORE to AP than just the Bianchi Cup) can shoot their Glocks, Springfields, S&W’s, Sigs, etc. in their own category without having to compete directly against folks with highly modified firearms. Ken

Glad to here a few of you guys are brave enough to make the trip north. I'll make sure to tell the locals not to pick on ya'll bout the way you southerners talk.... BTW, the range will be open on Friday for competitors arriving early. We still have plenty of openings for anyone wanting to show up for either match. Looking forward to shooting with you here this weekend.

I just found out about this match, and I am interested in shooting in it. The entry form states that entries must be in before July 19th....are entries closed now, or are entries still being accepted? Also, is there any way to find out what time slots are still avaialble on Fri, Sat, and/or Sun? Ken

I've been using ZERO 121 gr JHP (.356) for quite a while with EXCELLENT results. Also tried/used ZEROs in 115 and 125, but settled on the 121gr.

Slide to frame has essentially zero play, and barrel fit is excellent. It definatly doesn't feel sluggish when cycling in any way...

Nice! ...other than they got my contact email address incorrect (already notified Tom about that). Email address should be: kmacari@twcny.rr.com (or PM me here) I'm also working on trying to get some sort of hotel deals/recomendations for anyone traveling...more on that very soon.... Ken

There's been some delay in getting the match entry forms and programs up on the Trenton website ( Trenton Fish and Game Website ) , but I'm told they'll be posted this weekend. Please PM me if you would like me to email you the match programs and entry forms (I'm not sure if it's appropriate to attach them to this formum topic), or if you need any additional information about these matches. Thanks!! Ken

I've had a Targetmaster chambered in 9mm for about a year and a half now, and I've been EXTREMELY pleased with it. Right out of the box it shot sub 2" groups at 50 yards, and it functions flawlessly with 130pf AP loads. It’s extremely easy to shoot…the 6 inch bull barrel all but eliminates recoil and muzzle flip (not that there’s much with a 9mm). It came with a decent trigger, but I’ve changed out many of the internals to get it to feel exactly like my open gun. The only problem that I’ve ever had with it (of course, at a match) was due to a new extractor that was not tensioned correctly. Some day I’ll learn not to mess with things that work….. All in all, I cannot say enough about this firearm! For a relatively inexpensive price (less than $1500), it performs as well as many custom firearms costing twice as much. I know of two other AP shooters who have the Targetmaster in 9mm now, and I believe that they have been just a pleased with theirs. I’d definitely recommend this to anyone interested in shooting competitively in the AP metallic division.

The latest is that we are officially (just recently approved) holding a NRA AP regional on September 6th, and a State Championship (not yet officially approved by NYS Rifle and Pistol) on Sept. 7th at the Trenton Fish and Game club in Trenton, NY. The match on the 7th will definately take place, just still working out the details as to whether it is able to the an 'official' NYS Championship or an 'unofficial' state championship. I just got the programs for each reviewed and approved by the Trenton Fish and Game club last night, and we should have them (and the entry forms) posted on our website within a couple of days. This process has been a bit slower than I had hoped, but everything looks to be coming together now.

Well, it looks as if there's another minor change in proposed dates...due to some conflicts it looks like we're going to shoot for September 6th and 7th. There were a few local issues with the Aug 16th and 17th, but it looks as if Sept. 6th and 7th are open. I've just received approval from the club for this match, so (other than submitting the paperwork) it looks like it's a go!! I'll definitely get more details out as soon as it's official. As of right now my hope is to hold a regional on the 6th, and a state match (hopefully approved by the state) on the 7th. I can't guarantee a prize table that will top Kevin's , but hopefully we can still offer some incentives to come here to shoot while still keeping the cost reasonable.

I've been working with a local club to try and bring an NRA Action Pistol regional (and maybe state) match back to Trenton, NY this year. This club has hosted several regional and state championships in past years, and has a very decent quality facility to support a match like this. I'm still working through the details and approvals, but I wanted to find out if there is any interest out there to attend a regional here, and get folks feelings about potential dates. Dates have been rather challenging to determine, as I want to try an avoid conflicts with other various matches that are planned (or are being planned). I'm thinking right now the weekend of August 16th and 17th. June 21st and 22nd looks also to be open, but that might be a little too soon to get something approved and planned properly. Any feedback or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!! Ken