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6 hours ago, BritinUSA said:
My guess is magwells and perhaps an outside possibility of ported barrels too. This would be for both CO and Production and would include the removal of magazine capacity limits for Production.
Then USPSA will four main handgun divisions:
- Open
- Open-Minor (currently CO)
- Limited
- Limited-Minor (currently Production)
I would add that they will likely allow SAO guns into CO/Production too.Been politely saying something similar for years.
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On 12/9/2021 at 3:33 PM, Racinready300ex said:
Production 15, limit3d minor what's the difference? 1 reload vs 2-3? Really a game changer.
I prefer 140mm for all so I can use the same 3 magazine extensions.
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6 hours ago, Racinready300ex said:
It's really wasn't all that complicated.
As it is there is nothing production about production or CO so I don't care what they do with them. Go ahead and make it "A fudgecicle nobody but a few crayon chewers and winder likkers want" and open minor already. If people want another place to shoot $10k custom 2011's let them.
I'd like to meet a person that got suckered into paying their own money for a 10k custom 2011. Not any demand for that around here. Seems most just want magwells and 140mm magazines.
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23 hours ago, Racinready300ex said:
Kinda I guess. I know we see this differently. But for example taking a CZ, and replacing the trigger, sear, hammer, firing pin, all the springs, mag release, thumb rest, mill the slide, brass grips, brass flashlight, polish all the internals so all you're left with that's as it was from CZ is the frame. To you is tweaking, to me is a little more than just tweaking.
I think your interpretation is much more accurate/honest.
I haven't been to Idaho but in my area, triggers/fire control, springs, grips/texturing, sights, are minimum and slides/barrels are very common. Virtually nobody with a classification in the divisions are shooting "mildly tweaked" or out of box guns.
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2 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said:
That's really all that's needed. But also consider if you're walking around with it on your hip and there are 50+ staff at the match what are the odds just one of them shoots the same gun as you and notices you have something illegal. What are the odds that someone on your squad is in your divisions and notices what you're using. It's virtually self policing problem, that you wont get away with forever. But to fix the problem that didn't exist we made everything legal.
I think the idea the rules were impossible to enforce was just the excuse they used to do what Mike wanted with the divisions.
What is the benefit of having all of those rules and requiring all of that policing? To maintain the illusion that shooting a stock Glock vs a Stock M&P has some value?
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On 9/21/2021 at 10:02 AM, SGT_Schultz said:
My 19 round CZ mags are $35 each. 140 extensions are $30 - $40. No extra springs needed, just shave the follower legs.
Glock 17 rounders are $25 - $30. Strike Industries extension are $18 including a new longer spring.
Anyone who pays a hundo for CO mags does it because they want to.
There is no need to buy aftermarket base pads or new springs just to fill OEM magazines all the way. Where do you come up with this stuff?
I agree, you can get 140mm extensions for the most popular CO/Limited minor guns that aren't 2011s for $30 ish. Two extensions are cheaper than 3 more magazine and additional pouches....but if we were being honest...the cost of these things don't even matter.
On 9/21/2021 at 10:52 AM, Racinready300ex said:I assume that's the goal. We're always talking about "saving" a division. And that's the only way to do it.
Really, Prod 140 might put a hurt on CO. It basically would take the most unreliable part of your CO rig out of the equation. This is probably the best part of this proposal.
Nobody is asking for 15 rd production or 140 production. They want limited minor. Anything less than a separate limited minor division is just delaying the inevitable...all while frustrating people in the mean time.
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4 minutes ago, Balakay said:
Feel free to put me on your ignore list.
If you were some big time GM or M, or winning a bunch of L2s, you would probably let the forum know who you are and maybe we would take you seriously. If that were the case, you would have every right tell me “back off A class peasant. What have you won?”
But alas, you remain anonymous. The implication is that you are a possibly a troll, likely horrendous or both.
if I were posting on a forum about how to play a sport such as basketball, it would be expected that my ability to play basketball would be factored into the perception of my opinions rendered. The words of a former division one player would probably carry more weight than the fat guy at the Y.
You just don’t seem to have any of the “bona fides” to be taken seriously.
So until then, you’re a C/D class clown who bought the wrong gun and wants his own division.
Whatever you say Dr. I am aware of all of your bona fides and I am no more impressed...actually less so. But I will still consider your point, if you make a good one.
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6 minutes ago, Balakay said:
Haha, stalker. It’s a discussion about USPSA yet we have
1. no evidence that either you belong to the organization or
2. have any competence in the sport.
I’ll give you a solid 1 of 2.
you’ve been whining for three years about limited minor. Most of the people, at least on this thread feel differently. Maybe you just suck at shooting Or want a participation trophy for limited minorSo? Just take your own advice and stop responding to me...it will be ok. I am quite content discussing the sport with other people.
There is always somebody that shoots better and I am anti participation trophy.
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1 minute ago, Balakay said:
As suggested before, post your USPSA#. You can post the email, too. Doesn't appear to be a secret if you keep talking about it. As the mod said, I think you are enjoying this (as am I)
It isn't a secret, if you ask the board if they discuss limited minor and other such changes on a regular basis they will tell you yes. Discussing USPSA while I am getting paid to sit here and monitor stuff is definitely an enjoyable way to pass the time. As for the rest of it, lay off...you are acting like a stalker.
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Just now, motosapiens said:
most people shooting CO seem to be elderly (failing eyesight) or young girls (weak hands).
I can't speak for every match in the country but in the southeast, the majority of people shooting carry optics are much younger than elderly. The southeast is a desirable place to live and lots of places to work so that may be part of the difference in demographics. Aren't you elderly? I might have my videos confused.
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23 minutes ago, PatJones said:
A resting breach face?
I like this humor!
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2 minutes ago, Balakay said:
"BuT I HaVe 2 EmAiLs FrOm FoLeY."
stop feeding the troll.
I do have emails. He will email you too. Saying I have emails and posting my honest opinion is not trolling.
However, calling me a troll is "antagonistic" which is closer to trolling.
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3 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said:
Changing the rules constantly can have the opposite effect too, it can drive people away.
I don't really see growth in CO, I see shooters moving there from other divisions. That's not growth.
It is growth in carry optics. Yes, other shooters are moving there, because they aren't interested in dealing with cost and hassle of 2011s or production is not "limited minor enough. Most probably aren't going back.
I agree that constant change can drive people away. Which is why I say it is better to add what people are demanding if it makes sense instead of constantly tinkering with existing divisions. Nothing makes more sense as a stand alone division at this point in time and the forseeable future than limited minor.
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21 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said:
It really doesn't. And if we constantly change our rules in hopes to attract the average joe we'll be constantly chasing our tail. We're much better off just being the best practical shooting sport on the planet and then people who are interested in practical shooting will pick a division they like and shoot. Those who aren't really interested can take to the internet to complain about who their favorite gun isn't competitive.
It really does, that is why the growth is happening in carry optics. The rules are constantly changing anyway...that is what happens when fudds dig their heels in and try to resist what is going to happen eventually anyway. If it doesn't happen in USPSA it will happen somewhere else.
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1 minute ago, deerslayer said:
The people outside NHRA are buying F-150s, Silverados, Accords, and Camrys. NHRA needs to make a new category to make these vehicles competitive because these folks chose not to buy a dragster.
When USPSA has the participation and sponsorship levels on par with the NHRA then I might waste some time debating that.
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2 hours ago, Racinready300ex said:
I complexly agree, the number of people using 40 outside of uspsa has no bearing on uspsa. That was my point. I thought you made a case about 40 being obsolete so we shouldn't use it, I must of quoted the wrong person.
Nope. You can see from my first post provided by our impartial moderator that I have advocated limited major as well as limited minor all along. Limited major should be available as long as people want to sign up for it.
The people buying guns outside of USPSA are mostly abandoning .40 and that does affect USPSA. 300 LEOs keeping their old .40s doesn't counter that. I have been saying there is a good case to make limited minor viable/separate/competitive to maintain participation while 40 limited attritions down like single stack and revolver.
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2 hours ago, outerlimits said:
not a gunsmith, but there's this thing called a breech face.
Yuup, there is a breech face most of the time.
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2 minutes ago, Ssanders224 said:
Wrong again.
I’ll use myself as an example. I think Limited Minor as a division is nonsense. Major in Limited makes sense to me. I’m fine with shooting .40. However, if USPSA instated “limited minor” as a division, I’d move to that (as would everyone else). All Limited shooters I’ve discussed it with feel the same. Doesn’t mean they want it. And yes, tens of thousands of .40 Limited guns would be obsolete over night.
Why would anybody switch if they don't want it?
If there is still a .40/165 pf division then the gun is not obsolete. You can load a .40 to minor PF and the gun is still not obsolete. You can fit a 9mm barrel and the gun is still not obsolete.
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34 minutes ago, motosapiens said:
seems more likely that Jeff = Bill Wilson. He's probably feeling sad that even the fudds don't take ESP seriously.
14 minutes ago, outerlimits said:don't egg him on, he'll be campaigning for rimfire next, which would add another 4 divisions like the steel challenge,
Ha, now these are good posts. I promise if I was Bill Wilson I would be out on my land killing pigs.
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Just now, motosapiens said:
I thought we were talking about limited.... What does CO (or any of the other minor divisions) have to do with this discussion?
More than Olympic bicycles and the library police.
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2 minutes ago, motosapiens said:
this is wrong, and doesn't even make sense. You're allowed to use 3" barrels in limited too. That doesn't mean they were 'put there', and we need to suddenly change the rules so 3" barrels have less of a disadvantage.
If these things weren't "put" in the rules then how did they get there?
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1 minute ago, motosapiens said:
the fact that high cap 9mms are about 90% of new handguns sold (which is probably false) has no bearing on the viability of limited major, just like the bikes sold at walmart have no bearing on what is legal or sensible for bicycle competition in the olympics.
Sure it does. If your analogy was correct we would be seeing growth in open as opposed to carry optics.
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1 minute ago, Ssanders224 said:
This is where you get off track.
USPSA didn’t “put them in the same divisions”, some divisions just ALLOW major power factor and thereby an advantage in scoring over minor.
I legitimately don’t know what part of USPSA scoring you think attempts to make major and minor “comparable” or competitive with each other. The scoring system awards major PF by definition. They are not, and are not intended to be competitive against each other within a division.
This thread has devolved into complete clown shoes. So, I’ll end my tenure in the thread with this...
Defining any two otherwise identical divisions solely by major/minor scoring would 100% de facto kill the “major” division. NO ONE would choose to shoot Limited “Major”. So, you should restructure your argument into “major should only exist in Open” or something along those lines. That at least sounds logical.
You are playing words games...saying they are allowed in the divsion is the same as saying they were put there.
If splitting them defacto kills the major division then that proves my point...people want limited minor. I don't need to restructure my argument at all. Some people are concerned that the people with .40 guns will have obsolete equipment if they change the division to minor. That is supposedly the only reason it hasn't been done already. I don't see any reason to obsolete anybody's gun and it makes more sense to have both until people no longer want .40 limited.
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Just now, Ssanders224 said:
Again, this is COMPLETE fallacy.
WHO says Major is rewarded too much? You?
Where did you dream up the idea that anyone ever intended for major and minor to be even remotely competitive against each other? By your own example, the IPSC/USPSA motto REWARDS "power".
Are you serious? If they didn't intend for them to be competitive they would have never put them in the same competitive divisions and/or came up with a scoring systems that attempts to make them comparable.
The results consistently show that major is rewarded too much.
10 minutes ago, Balakay said:Is it possible that Jeff=Beard?
I have never been Beard or been on a site called doodie.
2011 and Carry optics
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This is about as useful as saying "hey let's put 40 S&W light with a perceived (and mostly proven) scoring advantage in with 125 pf minor and let's see which one wins.
It is real simple to add a division in the computer and copy paste the rules under the new name if we wanted the true answer.