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One thing that has not been mentioned, is Glock lowers is the mag feeding angle will foul up if any pressure is applied to the magazines. Found that out the hard way during a match.
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I have none. "But I know a guy" who has been in the Desert conflicts as an Army guy then transitioned to Blackwater etc. He has vast experience and training and he also can never master the switch shoulder technique. Some peoples wiring cannot accommodate it. I have accepted my limitation and use Rowdy's technique.
For those that have trouble with my description, it looks like this to me, both eyes open.
I think you're "friend" is blowing smoke, but that's his issue
All joking aside when you are talking about bad wiring, and based on the picture you are not dealing with this?
Because yeah there's no fixing that.
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I have both, can't say I have shot them at 50yds, but from 25yds and in I don't see much difference in side by side accuracy. The only difference is the 16in more tame. If you are looking for PCC in USPSA go 8in, if for 3gun go 16in.
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Not to drop the "tactical guy I know" bomb but experienced war fighters can not necessarily master that skill either.
Wow, that is deep! I take it you have a lot "tactical war fighter" experience to base that on!?!
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It would say that you have a bad mag; However, to say that is indicative of Magpul is BS. I have put 5,000 plus through mine without issue.
I would call Magpul and let them know, I am sure they would replace it.
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When you bring the bag to the line while the course is being reset, unzip the bag/unlatch the case and set the unopened bag/case on the ground near the start position, there's zero difference in make ready time vs. a pistol shooter. At make ready, retrieve carbine, insert mag as applicable, turn on sight if needed, assume ready position and go. Zero difference.
The only extra time is between "bolt closed, hammer down, flag" and returning the carbine to the bag before "range is clear." That's only a few seconds longer than ICHDH, at most, and is still followed by stage reset while the next shooter prepares for their run.
So using that logic you just identify the reason for the staging area; minus the need for a bag caddy.
But the flaw in your statement is moving the bag and messing with it, at the line while people are down range. Granted maybe you're only unzipping it, but I wouldn't appreciate someone jacking with a gun/ bag that is oriented at me while I am downrange, I have a feeling I am not the only one.
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IF the following are done...
1) The Match Director provides a PCC Staging Area that is tight against a side berm (so folks can't inadvertently walk in front of PCC muzzles) and in reasonable proximity to the start position for each stage (so PCCs are not carried any longer than is necessary).
2) Each PCC shooter uses a chamber flag from beginning to end of the match.
3) The PCC is unbagged in the Staging Area by the next shooter only just before they are due to shoot, then rebagged in the Staging Area immediately after they finish shooting the stage. No need for direct RO supervision after the RIC command.
4) When unbagged, the PCC is carried muzzle pointing straight up at all times. DQ for any sweeping or muzzle not straight vertical upwards before MR and/or after RIC. NO SLINGS.
... then the opportunity for sweeping is virtually zero, the stage flow is unaffected, and nobody other than the PCC shooter is in any way inconvenienced. PCC shoters have to come to terms with not being able to see their targets until after their PCC is bagged.
I would like to see the concept of the Staging Area be defined in the rules with equal clarity to that of the Safety Area, stating clearly how the Staging Area should be delineated and what conduct is/is not acceptable.
If the MD does not/cannot provide such suitable Staging Areas, then I agree that bagging/unbagging only under RO supervision is the cleanest solution with the least drama, and adds only modest delay at most (particularly if the PCC shooter arranges for a buddy to bring their bag over to the finish location while they are unloading).
I think the rules should remain flexible enough to allow the MD discretion over which approach is best (unbagging/rebagging in a designated Staging Area vs. at the start/finish locations). We all want to avoid safety concerns, shooter discomfort and needless disruption to match flow, and I believe the above "rules of the road" would get us there.
You are a scholar and a gentleman
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since you can only handle your gun at the safe area or under the direction supervision and command of a Range Officer, I think PCC should be handled the same way.
case and uncase them at the line, unbagging them anywhere else except the safe area or under the command of an R.O. should be treated like handling a handgun.
The on deck shooter knows they are up, they should be at or near the start position with their bagged PCC, ready to be given the Make Ready Command before the R.O.'s are finished scoring the previous shooter.
This would alleviate a lot of the issues with using a carbine in a pistol match.
I think you're missing point of the rule. You are allowed to pre-stage/post-stage your carbine, without taking up the attention of the overworked RO, and saving everyones time. We ran this at the last match and it was very smooth. It is not a "safe area", it by rule is a staging area. From this staging area you simply unbag move to the line; at that point, you take all commands from RO. When finished and flagged you move back and bag it. Easy Peazy.
I know that this will set some on edge, but let's be honest. Every match we have a hypocritical circus that occurs in the parking lot. We treat our cars like magical safe areas as we kit up. If you can trusted to holster your gun from the trunk of your car without an RO, is establishing an actual staging so foreign.
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Huh? What degree of safety is given up? The bolt is held to the rear, and the presence of a flag shows the chamber is empty. The flag makes the rifle more inert than a holster does to a handgun. Most of the rifle sports I'm aware of require chamber flags.
Putting your rifle in a bag without a flag doesn't magically contain a ND, it just makes everyone "feel" better because they can't see the muzzle sweeping them.
Retrieving the bag from the start position at the end of a course of fire slows down the squad. If you have a squad with 9 PCC shooters and they each take an additional 20 seconds retrieve their bag, that adds 3 minutes to that squad's time at each stage. Over a 15 stage sectional, that adds up to 45 minutes of delay and now you're backing up all the squads behind them.
A chamber flag can be carried in a pocket, it renders the firearm inert and it is easily visible to everyone on the stage. Once the rifle is flagged, the competitor should be free to go bag it without RO supervision. Carry it muzzle up until it's in a bag, don't sweep anyone going into the bag.
Sweeping fellow shooters, even with a flagged rifle is bad practice, and we should have a rule to cover this. I do think we want to allow bagging to occur away from RO supervision for the reasons I noted above. A lack of RO supervision makes a DQ difficult to enforce fairly.
If we require muzzle up carry, most rifles will be held by their forend. This encourages much better muzzle discipline than holding the rifle by the grip with the rifle pointing generally down.
If we allow bagging/unbagging away from the course of fire, do we want to designate a specific point in the bay where this is to occur? Would this make it easier to monitor? It seems that requiring muzzles to point into the side berm while bagging is a reasonable restriction.
PCC 5.2.1.5 Match organizers may specify that carbines are allowed to be cased or uncased with the muzzle in a safe direction, i.e., into the side berm or backstop. This can be designated as a “staging area” for carbines. No handgun handling is allowed in this area. When casing/uncasing PCC’s, the muzzle must point at a side berm or backstop. Failure to point the muzzle at a side berm or back stop during casing/uncasing will result in a DQ per PCC 10.5.2.1
Issue solved!!!
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Chamber flags encourage poor gun handling, introduce a risk of bore obstruction, and involve more gun manipulation (manipulation is what causes NDs), and add exactly zero safety.
Manipulation??? Really!?! No stupidity causes ND's!!!
You are manipulating a gun, every match. If you can't insert and remove a chamber flag, or manipulate a firearm safely you have no right shooting.
The other flaw in your argument is that a chamber flag is somehow going to introduce an obstruction is ludicrous. Show me the incidents of guns blowing up due to the use of chamber flags.
I would say to you instead of wasting your energy on a non-issue. Pick a battle that needs to be fought, this ain't it.
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SBR yes, carbine no. Their is another company that makes a comp that will work, but the Lantac is the preferred and in the short barrel MPX you can see it work, substantially.
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This is absolutely a stupid argument from both sides.
Muzzle awareness is the foundation of all gun safety. Intent has never been justification.
As for PITA, again this has yet to materialize outside of this forum.
I agree that clear cut rules are a must, I do get tired of the weekly changes, but (if that is the price of admission) you adjust to it and shoot like every other match. I have yet to see a delay caused by a PCC shooter.
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I have the Full Size P320 in .40 cal. and a Compact P320 in 9mm. I have had both for close to a year and have not had any issues with either handgun. Both guns have around 800 rounds through them.
This going to sound harsh, but please understand my response is with in context of the OP. Now, the response; AND? Are these 800rds work related or personal use? Either way, that is not a lot to justify why the 320 is better than the Glock.
Since we have ripped the bandaid off the wound of this old thread, I feel that many Sig owners(to include myself) know why the glock won!!! Customer Service!!! If Sig treats the contract customers the way they treat Joe Blow, they deserve to lose!
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I have the Combat Master, I absolutely love it. The only problem is the wait time.
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Put... You can't put any cant on them(especially if you using tek lok)
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GrumpyOne, you look and sound all mean. But, down deep, deep, deep, deep, I mean really deep you are a big softy with a big heart[emoji6]
What I am trying to say is: You and all of the other Mods are the "Man"!
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Does anyone have ideas for MPX mags? The Sig(bladetech) would be nice but you can't put any cant on them.
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Is it hard to add a Forum? Or a sub forum, for that matter.
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Check out Sierra Papa. http://sierrapapacx4.com/index/
WRT the trigger, here's his outlook (I haven't spent the money on these parts yet): http://sierrapapacx4.com/interaction-of-the-hammer-trigger-and-hammer-spring-modifications
Thanks, that was exactly what I was looking for.
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I'm not willing to spend money on a new gun just for PCC so I'm running my Storm which uses CX4 magazines.
I'm either going to have to look at the insert for the 92/96 mags and buying a few of the larger ones or getting someone to custom-make me something larger than the 20rd Beretta sells (their 17rd with already-attached 3rd extensions). For now, it's not a huge problem. There's not a lot of stages where I can't find time for one reload on the move.
The Storm extended mags (92 mags) are really cheap. Just bought 6 of them, for my wife.
The only issue I have with the Storm is the trigger sucks, going to have to find a way to soften it just a bit.
I wish you could also remove the front and rear sight post shrouds.
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How does it group? Since USPSA and Steel Challenge only shoot about 35 yards, I'm really not concerned about that-- these distances are short enough for me to shoot them with a 1911 and a Glock, so I'm fairly certain that as long as the barrel isn't bent, I can make it work with any carbine, name your manufacturer.
I can again agree with most of that.
But going off what you said originally, you haven't started building one, and according to that, you are a long way off (California).
Again, only looking at Circle 10(to be clear, I am not saying that they are good or bad) goes back to what we said. Good Intentions mean nothing, actions mean everything.
Speaking on ammo, if I know a gun won't run; let's say with 147 (like the MPX), I'm not going to buy it to find out that it doesn't run 147. But that does impact how I reload. It effects how I buy ammo.
As for accuracy, the idea it doesn't matter because we are only shooting 35yd, is frankly baloney. Especially in a sport where accuracy does count. As it pertains loosely, you mentioned you shoot 3GN, I doubt you run an AK (Why?) or more realistically a M&P 15 sport.
(Probably the same reason why you don't see many Hi-Points at matches, but I will say they have incredible customer service, seriously they have an incredible warranty!)
Accuracy does matter in PCC as all areas of USPSA. As competitive shooters we do expect a gun to preform to a high standard. That is why SVI can charge so much and people will pay it. There is no way that any competitive shooter is going to be content with a gun that won't hold point aim point impact at 15 yards.
Now, that all being said; you are right, you can make your decisions. That has never been at question.
The scrutiny is based on you recommended a product. And as not to beat a dead horse, it brings the myriad of questions as already covered. That's my point. No more, no less.
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I ran a lone wolf conversion barrel in G35, it was worth every cent.
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While I don't disagree with the point you're making, I think my coorspondence with QC10 was legitimate. When I asked if the 24c trigger would work in their gun (as other companies report it doesn't), the conversation went along the lines of "We don't know because we haven't tested it, but we have a Hyperfire on order to try out," and we exchanged a few emails about information that we knew which might cause issues with the Hyperfire trigger as some other platforms have experienced. As I recall, the Hyperfire trigger they initially had ordered before my contact with them was the least expensive trigger that Hyperfire makes. A few weeks later they came back and reported that the tests went well, and they were going to try the 24c next. A few weeks (or months...) after that, they emailed me out of nowhere and said that the 24c tests were successful. The fact that they kept me in the loop, rather than just forgetting about this yahoo that emailed them out of nowhere, speaks volumes about their customer service. And, frankly, they just seem to me like folks who are passionate about putting out a top notch product.
I can appreciate their great customer service, but does that really quantify the quality of their product?
How, does it run different types of ammo?
How, does it group?(JP guarantees 3moa... That I can actually verify)
How, is the trigger? Do I need to go buy a $200 trigger to make it run?
Again my point is, that you don't know. I don't know. Do we know anyone who does? Emails and phone calls don't prove anything.
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Best scope for Glock 34 MOS
in Glock
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Agreed, and seconded
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