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3 hours ago, 2Xalpha said:
Why do USPSA have to specify a rule about not being allowed to carry magazine(s) in the mouth? And why does it not apply to Open, Revolver, Limited-10 and Limited? Is it only okay if you wear pink?? I am rolling on the floor right now..
It's more like a clarification because the old rule was not clear enough, saying that basically you could carry a magazine and not get bumped to open as long as it remained in your hand. So it takes care of people asking if they can carry it in their teeth or under their arm or whatever. lol
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5.2.4.2 When stipulations in the Written Stage Briefing require placement of magazines or speed loaders on a table or similar location and not in the retention devices prior to the start signal, retrieving them and using them from the hand is allowed. Further, spare ammunition,magazines and/or speed loading devices carried in the hand after the start signal are not subject to the equipment position restrictions of Appendix D, Item 12, as long as they remain in the hand. Magazines may never be held or carried in the mouth for Divisions with equipment position restrictions specified in Appendix D, Item 12.
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4 minutes ago, levellinebrad said:
That is what I used to think as well but if you look at the rules it is the best six out of the last eight. It does not say anything about oldest. I hope that you are right because I would like to stay in B class for a while longer.
Yes. "Last" 8 is the 8 most recent valid classifiers. Since the top two are valid scores, they bump out the oldest two valid scores. They become "E". The current two lowest, the "F"s are still your two lowest of the 8 and stay F.
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You are basically replacing the bottom two scores (the 72s) with the top ones. It's a +2.02% difference to your average.
They are the oldest scores so they drop off first to make way for the top two. The "F"s remain your lowest and stay dropped.
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22 minutes ago, Brooke said:
Ok I'm going to suggest something different. Assumptions:
Virginia count
WSB says fire two and only two shots at each target
Situation as described occurs. That is, misfire on last shot. Shooter quits. (fails to do whatever is required to fire that last shot)
Shooter was required to fire two shots at x targets for total of 2x, and only 2x, shots.
A shot is defined as a bullet passing completely through the barrel. Therefore a squib or misfire is not a shot.
So shooter gets a mike plus a procedural for firing less than the required number of shots. A total of -20 points.
10.2.2.1, can't hit people with violating stage procedure for insufficient shots.
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6 hours ago, happygunner77 said:
I've always thought about it if it was worth to fix the problem vs taking a mike
You should be able to do the math after and figure it out. You probably can figure roughly what your hit factor will be, which is the same as your points per second, and figure out how many seconds you trade for the 15 points for a mike.
But if you want to develop a sense for it, generally the higher the HF is the harder it gets to make trading time for points worth it.
So say like El Prez. Normally you can shoot it in 6 seconds. Say you light strike on the last shot and stop. 60 - 15 / 5.7 seconds = 7.89HF. At that pace, if you could make up the shot with an alpha, doing it under 1.9 seconds would make for a better hit factor. 60 / 7.6 = 7.89HF. If it takes you more than 1.9 seconds your hit factor starts going down again.
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1 minute ago, racerba said:
rule book:
8.3.1 “Make Ready” – This command signifies the start of “the Course of Fire”. Under the direct supervision of the Range Officer the competitor must face downrange, or in a safe direction as specified by the Range Officer, fit eye and hearing protection, and prepare the firearm in accordance with the written stage briefing. The competitor must then assume the specified start position. The Range Officer will not proceed with any further range commands until the competitor is still and is in the correct start position.No where does it say that the WSB conditions MUST be met...
It says "under the direct supervision..." meaning that the RO make sure they ready the firearms in a safe manner...
It does not say RO is to make sure competitor's handgun/firearm is ready...It literally says it in the text you quoted.
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8 hours ago, HoMiE said:
Another thread where Troy from NROI just said takedown thumb rest for a sig p320 not legal so I’d say they will same the same thing for a thumb rest slide stop.
A replacement takedown lever is illegal already because the CO rules don't allow you to replace it. An aftermarket slide stop is allowed, so I'd have to assume it's legal until the rules say otherwise.
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1 hour ago, Sarge said:
So, as an RO I have to ask shooter to prove to me the gun actually scooped a round out of the mag? Or that the round doesn’t have a sideways primer? Or he didn’t load a squib at midnight last night?
Where does it end?
It's really not that difficult to ascertain if the shooter loaded their gun or not. You'll find out right after the beep.
As for an actual consequence of "maybe" having to have the shooter comply with the ready condition, I can load my gun for an unloaded start, because it's not your responsibility, right?
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1 hour ago, revoman said:
If the shooter racks his slide and a round fails to chamber and the RO and shooter do not recognize this. Is this grounds for a reshoot as in my mind it would be the same as the shooter not loading a round.
I think the shooter owns it either way and no reshoot.
Is there ammo somewhere in the gun? Then no. Is the gun completely unloaded? Then yes.
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5 minutes ago, Sarge said:
Another thing caught my eye. I think the MUST only pertains to facing downrange or in a safe direction.
And let’s remember the Start position has the added rule than an RO can’t start a shooter until they are in it.
If you're going to nitpick language, the commas create a complete thought rather than separate conditions, that is "must" applies to everything subsequently as a list, including the shooter preparing his gun according to the WSB.
It's true that it's black and white, you're just doing it wrong.
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1 minute ago, Sarge said:
I’m saying I’m going to give range commands. Nothing says I have to help a shooter with ready conditions. The rule only says the WSB must clearly state ready conditions. The rules say I can’t start a shooter who is not in the correct start POSITION.
Sorry man but it does actually say that.
Under the direct supervision of the Range Officer the competitor must face downrange, or in a safe direction as specified by the Range Officer, fit eye and hearing protection, and prepare the firearm in accordance with the written stage briefing. The competitor must then assume the specified start position. The Range Officer will not proceed with any further range commands until the competitor is still and is in the correct start position.
You are supervising the competitor (ie, giving them instruction, which may not include only range commands) to prepare their firearm according to the WSB. If they do not ready their firearm the competitor cannot proceed to assuming the start position, and you cannot proceed to "are you ready".
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1 minute ago, Sarge said:
You are comparing start positions to gun ready conditions. A loaded gun is not a position.
This is starting to feel like an episode of the twilight zone.
Are you saying that the competitor is complying with "gun loaded and holstered" without the gun being loaded?
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Just now, broadside72 said:
Even if their own actions put them at a disadvantage? The rules are enforced when it gives a shooter an unfair advantage, not the other way around. For example, if one is backing up and firing at a target and steps out of bounds, thus making him farther away from the target, is that a procedural since it was not an advantage for the shots fired? If he turns around and fires at other targets then he may get the procedural(s) as he is closer to the target and gaining an advantage.
The rule is the same rule, the shooter is not complying with the start position, you are enforcing it for consistency's sake. Yes it would be disadvantageous to not have a magazine inserted however the rulebook says that this is an allowable start position and you are not his coach.
You only have to consider advantageousness when the rulebook tells you to. The competitor would get one procedural for faulting and you would consider giving him per shot for significant advantage or not.
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4 hours ago, broadside72 said:
I get that. The rules are the to prevent unfair advantages. We penalize for things that become an advantage (not all foot faults are an advantage for example) but it seems like we need to not allow a shooter to put themselves at a disadvantage on their own accord at the start. Like my example of loaded and holstered specified in the WSB. If the shooter doesn't load his gun, it's that the ROs problem and he/she can't ask Are You Ready?
Sorry for diverging from the holstering topic.The gun must be loaded on a loaded start or the competitor is also not in the start position.
You must have SOME ammo in the gun to be "loaded". A magazine must be inserted or a round must be chambered. 8.1 tells us to not instruct the competitor to rack the slide if they forget.
A3 - Loaded - A firearm having a live round, empty case or dummy round in the chamber or cylinder or having a live or dummy round in a magazine inserted in the firearm.
If someone forgets to insert a magazine or chamber a round at all, they must be instructed to comply with the start position.
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7 hours ago, HCH said:
Yep. Missed that.
But I’m gonna throw another wrench in this mess. 8.2.2 says that a competitor that does not assume the correct start position must reshoot the stage. I understand the difference in handgun ready position and competitor start position, but let’s say there is an unloaded table start and the competitor loads his firearm, places it (safely) and starts the stage. Do you say something or start him and reshoot? Or give a procedural?
Seems like a slippery slope, and I hate reshooting competitors.
Also 8.1 seems to really only “get” the newbs and dumbasses (like I said before about 10.5.11)... it’s not one that CONSTANTLY shows up.
8.3.1, the range officer will not proceed to "are you ready" until the competitor is in the correct start position.
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You could game it a little by making oversized / heavy versions of the parts you're allowed to replace.
Brass controls? Weighted slide stop? Extended guide rod?
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23 minutes ago, regor said:
Is 2.2.3.4 changed for 2019? I don't know why hooking your foot under a wall in the way you did would be legal in the first place unless it is a wall that you are allowed to shoot under. Walls extend to the ground even if the physical prop does not; if you can't shoot under it because it is "solid", why should you be able to use that opening as support? If that opening exists when you aren't trying to shoot through it then we have an inconsistent application of existence. If it is closed at all times then that's definitely not a legal move...
The rule used to permit you to use anything inside the shooting area for support. You could grip the snow fence and hang onto it, whatever the prop looked like it was game.
Now it it muddied by the fact that only an edge is usable for support. The edges are narrow sides, a rectangle should have four. However, do the bottom and top edges technically exist since they go to the ground or are infinitely high?
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2 hours ago, Poppa Bear said:
The edge of the wall or structure must touch, or be completely inside of, the shooting area in order to be used for support.
As I read this part of the rule, anything totally inside the fault lines can be used in any fashion. The questionable part would be any parts that extend outside of the fault lines. The last sentence does state that touching is allowed as along as you are not gaining support from supports that touch the fault lines.
The edge of the wall is what is it is allowing you to use if it's inside the shooting area. Not the entire wall if the edge is inside.
Next sentence says you can't touch the wall supports anyway.
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2 hours ago, PigSnowball said:
Would max get a procedural for touching this wall foot?
According to the new rule, the wall foot is a wall foot and hence touching it is a ding."All wall or platform supporting structures, including, but not limited to: feet, braces, angle supports, chains, cables etc., are deemed to be non-existent and cannot be used for support."
Nowhere does it say support structures can be touched in any circumstance inside or outside a shooting area.
These seems unintentional as this wall foot has no tactile feel and little visual indication they might be touching the wall foot.
I'm also particularly concerned about what is deemed to be "support structure" with regards to a port in a wall just like Nick.As far as I understand, yes. However I feel it's necessary to distinguish between "touching" (like where dipping a toe to the ground outside the shooting area will make you fault and get a procedural), and "gaining support from" where a toe touch is probably not worthy. But if you put your foot on a support to where you are putting some pressure on it while firing (so it is by definition supporting you) that would be a procedural.
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Until they define edge I don't think you can do anything except touch the outer edge of a wall, no hooking (since that's beyond the edge). I imagine, logically, touching the inside of a port would be okay since it's an inside edge, but it's not specifically allowed either.
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1 minute ago, GrumpyOne said:
Perhaps the wording of the rule should have been that stepping on or using the foot of the wall as a support that is out of the shooting area to be the same as having your foot on the ground outside of the shooting area.
I definitely agree.
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6 minutes ago, GrumpyOne said:
No penalty, as you were wholly inside the shooting area.
As for the association that you speak of, perhaps we also need a rule to tell people how and when to load their mags, when to drink water on a hot day, etc. If you are failing (or have failed) to make the association that placing your foot on an object that has been deemed to "not exist" outside the shooting area (or inside for that matter) means that your foot would be on the ground, well, then....
There's no need to be condescending, my man.
If my foot wasn't touching something that didn't exist it'd be hovering in the air as far as I can imagine.
Fwiw it's going to be useful for a lot of people to reference the new shooting area rules. It used to be everything in the shooting area was shooting area - now it's not everything.
Holding mags in the hand
in USPSA/IPSC Rules
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Sucks, but you were specifically allowed by the rulebook. Knowing your rules helps you in the match.