BitchinCamaro

Hmmm. I begin most stages with my feet in opposite corners of the start box, ready to spring out , and I already feel like I'm hunkered down to the point my mag tube is scraping the ground at low ready. I don't really know where my feet are after I haul ass out of the box though. I'll try to be conscious of that next time I'm out. I should specify: I can hunker down and let'er rip on things like spinners or texas stars directly in front of me, but it's the strings with horizontal spreads that I'm having trouble with. What gets me is that Lena isn't really hunkered down on those 8 clays. Like Therealkoop I've tried to get as low and forward as possible, and shooting through vision fences basically forces you into a low-forward position. Regardless of position, I just can't seem to string more than 4 fast hits horiziontally without having my upper torso rotate to the point that I have to stop and readjust.

http://youtu.be/C0fPWmWmOjk?t=5m9s I'm just some skinny dude so I'm not much to look at compared to Lena, but you get the idea.

I'm fortunate in that I get to shoot casually more than most people, but blasting away without an informed purpose only lets me know that there is a wall in my technique. I'm trying to train more efficiently, hence my asking for tips or drills on here. I'm trying to train through my problem, not find a shortcut.

I've been using a JM930 since the middle of last year, and finally got it fit right and feeding 100% over the winter. I had my first 3gun match of the season last weekend, and save for the times where I knew I was obviously messing up (misses, fumbled reloads, etc.), I felt like I was finally getting a feel for the shotgun as a system that I could "run", instead of just a boomstick. My issue is that during long horizontal strings of clays or KO plates, the recoil of the gun is pushing mostly straight back (good!), the vertical rise and drop of the bead is controllable and consistent (good!), but after about the third shot in a string, there is a point where if I shoot any faster than something like a ~.3 split between targets, my entire body is getting shoved around and rotating about a vertical axis(booo!). Trying to stiffen my upper body to fight the rotation just pushes me straight back to the point that the SO is ready to catch me, thinking I may actually topple over (I'm not). Plus, fighting the rotation basically counters the movement I use to clear the string of clays/plates and slows me way down. Additionally, I had a stage where there were 10 KO steels that had to be engaged from under a barrier. I'm right handed and went down to my left side. Having the shotgun shoot from my raised shoulder definitely rocked me over towards my back so I had to corkscrew my sight picture back onto the plates as I rolled forward. I know it was the same for other shooters, but I really felt I was doing something wrong with recoil management. Does anyone have any tips or drills for improving splits? Most people at the match said it was because I'm not that top heavy. I'm 155lbs, (maybe 5lbs more lean mass in the middle of summer), shooting federal #8 target loads. Looking at Lena Miculeck, in these vids: http://youtu.be/w3riJLQegls?t=54s http://youtu.be/w3riJLQegls?t=2m3s http://youtu.be/w3riJLQegls?t=2m33s I know it has to be something else. I'm assuming she's not 200+ lbs and her splits are where I want mine to be. If I tried to engage those clays at the same speed, my shoulder would be a foot further back from where it started by the third clay. She looks like she has a more bladed stance to begin with- I start pretty square to the target and handle my shotgun like I do my rifle. I sense that I'm getting the recoil pulse back at the exact same time I'm trying to "reset" my eyes and body for the next shot, instead of feeling the "shot break/recoil then eyes to target" like I think I do with pistol shooting. Thus, by the time my eyes are on target for the next shot, my body is still in the process of coming back to it's neutral position and is getting stopped by the recoil of the next shot. I might be totally wrong though. Tips? Tricks? Drills? Thanks!

After reading the first page again I realized I derped up the directions and engaged the targets in the wrong order (1,2,3,3,2,1,1,2,3), so my time is totally not valid.

If that spring is captured by a pin or spring seat, I'll try to shim it with some brass to see if it has the same result. Otherwise I'll just try to gain 20lbs. Thanks!

Woohoo! I'm glad I'm not alone in the "Suck at Shotgun" party. It's why I've been doing so much dry-fire recently. It's weird to say, but I suspect my body type may have something to do with it. In fighting shape, I'm 155lbs. after a good meal, so the recoil of a 12g keeps me focused on controlling the muzzle more than the trigger feel. I'm sure the whole shotgun reciprocates way more than .021" between my shoulder and support arm. In addition to the short and soft reset, I just never feel like I have complete control over the trigger cycle. I can break shots just fine on single targets like moving clays, but when there is a string of clays or something like a plate rack then the trigger feels a little "dead" compared to my pistol or rifle. It's almost like there is more of a pressure switch on the back of the trigger guard that I'm trying to activate rather than a mechanical trigger that I can synch into a mental and physical rythm. I get that some claim that you're supposed to be surprised by the break, but it's more of a sensation of inconsistency of not getting the trigger to break at the same time and place in a string of targets. Any other advice is welcome. I'm definitely starting from the bottom.

Hello. I've been doing a lot of dry-fire across all my 3gun platforms and was wondering if anyone has tuned their 930 trigger for a more positive reset. Both my G17 (polished trigger guts, springs) and Geissle SG3g triggers have low pull weights with varying amounts of pre-travel, but after the first round I basically rely on the the very positive resets on each to catch the triggers and break the next shot. My JM pro has a low pull weight toward the break but after the hammer falls and the action cycles, the trigger has almost a "loose" feeling in it's forward travel back towards reset, and when shooting target loads I can't feel the trigger reset enough to catch it consistently. I end up slapping and jerking the trigger trying to find the sweet spot. I almost feel like I'm trying to bump-fire the thing. I don't have the trigger group in my hands, but I think there is a disconnector spring that also pushes against the trigger back to position. I'm assuming increasing that spring force would push the trigger forward against my finger harder in reset. I'm also assuming that increased hammer spring force would make for a more audible/tactile reset as the hammer is released from the disconnector. Does anyone have any input? I'm not especially concerned with overall pull weight as long as it's a minor increase. I'm finding that for me, consistent reset/break is a bigger factor in controlling my shots. Thanks for any input. There are some good pics of the trigger group in this thread: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=187131

Mr. Eno sent me part 2, and it was not the type of advice I was expecting at all. I've read it three times over now and I'm extremely excited to get to the range to try this out. Thank you!

Average "As only" was 4.76 with a 2.3 draw- vanilla G17 with dawson sights. Trying to speed up my draw increased my overall time considerably . I practice seeing my front sight through dryfire a couple of times casually throughout the winter, but I know if I don't get a solid first hit after the buzzer, my grip is probably wonky and my whole string suffers. Despite knowing this, I miss my first shot often.

I have the RCI 12+1 on my 24" barrel 930. It's a good thing I don't mind an ugly gun, because it's the albatross of the collection. The mag tube is waaaay past the barrel and the whole shotgun sits at least 4 inches taller than the Mosin next to in the safe.