MetropolisLake
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STI sells complete guns themselves, but they also sell bare frames, slides, and all the parts for gunsmiths to build them. The prices that STI sells their factory built guns for is generally the cheapest that you will find a 2011. The gunsmiths spend tons of time doing the custom machining, fitting, polishing, and finishing of all of the parts to make it into a better product than a factory built gun. (most of the time)
This is the part I didn't understand. I've never heard of a proprietary manufacturer doing that. Customizing, yes, but a customized glock is still a glock. You still always start out with a fully built entire factory glock as far as I know.
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So basically I thought 2011's were only made by STI. But... there's the whole Scarab thing:
http://www.predatortactical.com/Handgun_Editions/3_Gun_Nation_Custom_Scarab_p464.html
Looks like an STI frame with other stuff on it. Now that I saw that I'm noticing other brands, seeing things that is definitely not on STI's site, with all kinds of ports and serrations on the slide that look badass. What is going on with them? How do you just build a 2011? I don't get it. Since you can apparently do this, where is the best place to get a cost effective one, meaning cheaper than what STI would sell one for? I'm about ready to sell my other guns and get one but it is ALOT of money.
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You all realize you are a bunch of guys giving a f*#k what other guys wear?
Or, worse yet, talking about it??
If you are really opinionated on this topic, you should head to the nearest restroom, check your junk, and ask yourself if you are in the right restroom.
With all due respect, the irony is that based on the rules, it's folks with your credentials who seem to care the most, and have the power to send some people home based on this alone, and apparently do so. I'm pretty sure that this thread was intended for beginners to figure out what you guys don't like and try to avoid a wasted trip.
Personally I don't care, and quite frankly I am a little surprised that other AR shooters would give a crap if somebody looks a little too tactical, or even wears RealTree for crying out loud. (really?) How that looks to the outside world might be a legitimate concern for a USPSA director though. We are at the mercy of your interpretation of some very vague rules so it shouldn't be a surprise if questions and conversations arise about it.
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Personally I don't get it. You are not duck or turkey hunting. You are not on a secret mission for SOCOM.....why wear a silly costume?
On that same token... it seems that the vast majority of people wearing "shooting shirts" at matches aren't even sponsored. You've got an entire thread here about how to buy them and get permission from manufacturers to use their logo if you design your own. You're not a professional... why wear a silly costume? What's the difference? Why is paying to turn yourself into a walking billboard for manufacturers who aren't sponsoring you while using a bunch of neon colors more acceptable than your favorite realtree shirt?
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I think an ACOG would be a challenge to use, ESP wo an auxiliary sight of some kind.
Cheryl Current, Vicki Carlton, Roxanna Durham, David Neth... all top folks, all have used ACOG's.
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http://thefirearmreport.com/2013/10/an-urban-operators-first-idpa-match-part-1/
http://thefirearmreport.com/2013/10/an-urban-operators-first-idpa-match-part-2/
Mildly humorous. Seems fitting for this conversation. Mild language warning.
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Seriously though, after dealing with me being deployed over 4 of the past 11 years my wife has become very independant.
Now that I'm reflecting on it a bit, I think this is a big part of it and I haven't wanted to admit it. My wife isn't independent at all. Well, double negative there. She's independent in terms of raising kids and operating a business, but horribly insecure in terms of social activities. If I run off doing my own thing for a few days, I know good and well she'll be back home moping around. I just can't deal with that. If I really want to do something, I have "permission" and am free, but we've been together for 17 years now and I can recognize faux outward support. It got especially bad when I was in a band several years ago, she always thought I was going to boink our lead singer.
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You mentioned multiple hobbies, perhaps you can trim it to one hobby if you haven't already.
I gave up snowboarding and mountain biking a long time ago, partially due to the same reasons, partially due to health reasons, mostly a jacked up back. just figured somebody would say to find a different hobby, that's why I mentioned it.
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Been wanting to get into 3-gun competitions for awhile but it's hard with a wife and 3 kids. There is something significant always going on. If there isn't, it's hard to ditch them for a mini-vacation as I'm sure they're chomping at the bit to get away too. That's what happened this past weekend. The international meet at RockCastle at the end of the month is when my son's birthday party is. It's non-stop like that. And it's not just shooting, I haven't been anywhere nice to snowboard or to a bike race since my middle child was born who is now almost 10, and with 3 it's near impossible. Used to go on a man-cation with some buddies regularly but that got nixed.
So, what's the trick other than to be mostly independently wealthy, and have more sponsors than kids? I can't seem to be able to justify jumping into these things without purposely being very selfish with my limited free time and money. Mostly the time, as I can budget the money part. Interested in hearing from married people with multiple kids.
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I had to return the quick caddys. Got some man mountain caddy's instead, I like these tons better, much less slop. Hope to branch out into load-2 in the future and keep these around for topping off a tube on shotgun intensive stages. Figure I need to be at least somewhat familiar with traditional caddy's anyway.
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I agree but some match designers stipulate the gun must be unloaded if your moving in front of the barrel.
Sounds to me like designers need to design it to where an abandoned shotgun always points off to the side so you never have to run in front of the thing in the first place. That sounds safer and more logical than what has been described here.
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We had a guy show up at a match a couple of years ago in full Tactical Timmy gear. Camo from head to toe, body armor, thigh rig, mags on his chest. I have no idea why the match director let him shoot. Maybe he assumed the shooter was active duty, but at the first "make ready" it was clear he had very little experience with fire arms. I think someone said he did something with movies and got all the gear from the prop department. We were all very glad that he never showed up again.
I have a coworker who is in the national guard, and an Iraq + Afghanistan vet. He knew how to do something or another and ended up being embedded with Green Berets in the mountains. He's got some "different" ideas about how to shoot and wanted to get into 3-gun to keep his skills tuned and to put what he already knows to use, but he'd be laughed out of the place.
One of the odd things is that he basically wears his pistol on his chest like the rig below. They do that because they shoot the rear windows out moving cars in traffic and it's too hard to draw quickly while sitting in a humvee with body armor on. When there is a convoy coming through, car bombs are a big fear, so if a car doesn't yield properlly, they'll tap it as a warning, and if they still don't yield, they'll take their pistol and shoot out the window. If they still don't yield, crap gets real at that point.
Sad thing is, apparently he got very good with this setup, but to compete he will have to learn everything all over again, and purposely dress down.
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In 3-gun, if you miss a target but shoot again and hit, is that recorded as a miss?
If you shoot at a target four times and decide you just can't hit it and move on, is that recorded as one miss or four?
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Believe me I didn't want these new caddys to work. I spent well over 40 hours getting really good at weak hand loading. I enjoyed finishing up top on big shotgun stages. I didn't want anybody to get a free ride on shotgun loading after working so hard at it. But then I watched young Katie Francis with he small 14 year old hands stuffing shells in a shotgun like a boss.
That's when I realized that the system was going to help grow the sport by making it easier on newcomers. The shotgun loading has always been a huge obstacle that newbs fear and simply choose not to participate because of. Once I started playing with it all I found out that it shaves about have my time out of my loads and it still requires dexterity so guys that were above average at weak hand loading are gonna be above average at this too.
I still can't get over seeing you guys run with a shotgun upside down on your shoulder stuffing a hand full of shells at once into its belly. I mean you're crazy badass fast at it and all but the technique in itself is about the goofiest thing that a country boy has ever seen done with a shotgun.
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Sure there are some of the designs you should not go prone with, but don't dismiss what you don't know.
The AP design seems like one of them. I can't get it through my head how those metal things would not bend if they were empty.
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So since this seems to be a loading problem and not a MatchSaverz specific problem, is it unsafe to load into the loading/ejection port? My skeet club doesn't let us keep a bunch of ammo in the tube, they make us load each shot separately except with doubles, so everybody is constantly just loading shells into the side if they have a semi-auto. That's going to make me cringe now.
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When I first got my shotgun it kept eating hulls as if it wasn't fully cycling which seems to be common. However that's not a problem anymore and I thought I was over it, but I went skeet shooting this weekend and after a stage, the action locked back properly, but there was an empty shell inside. It would have been a mangled mess if it cycled again, and obviously it wasn't due to it not fully cycling. This was Winchester Super Target, light loads. Is there a light birdshot offering that minimizes this?
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30 years ago I got a Winchester youth model 20 gauge pump. Still have it, looks like almost new even though it's been on countless squirrel hunting trips. So I've kind of got to mention it here.
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If the quad rail was better for 3G, that is what would be widely in use. It is not.
I think it's pretty obvious that it's not common. I just kind of think the fear of looking "tacticool" is part of why it's not. I have ran a long rail for years and although I've not been in competitions, I hunt with it and have shot it on barricade type of rests. I've owned a JP as well so I can compare first hand and I just can't say that I feel like the rail is or would hold me back due to the weight or comfort. Quite honestly I preferred the feel of the rail. I have some ladders on them and it feels perfectly comfortable to me.
There's been some guys who bought a rail system just to go to a 3-gun competition and immediately switch after one meet. I just have a hard time believing this is entirely 100% performance related. It would be more logical to deduct that they decided that they stood out visually, in the same manner as somebody wearing BDU's to their first meet. I'm half afraid that will happen to me.
The other significant part not mentioned elsewhere here is the cost. A quality Seekins or JP costs half of what my Daniel Defense does. That's a $200 difference. For a 3-gun specific build, that's just wasted money and would be hard to justify, especially if doing so would give off a tacticool vibe.
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If you need a light at some point, most of the tubes can still accept some kind of mounting system. "Messing with it" really isn't a complaint on the AR platform.
I said you get to mess with it because I was under the impression that some of these tube systems require you to take the tube off to install rail sections because you have to get to screws on the back of the rail section. Then if you decide you don't like that position and you didn't get a rail section that's long enough to be somewhat flexible, you get to start all over. Maybe I'm wrong about that but if that is correct, it may not be a large complaint but it's still time consuming. If I want a light, I simply slap it on. Where ever I want.
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I've wondered if this sentiment goes beyond clothing and onto rifles. I've got an AR with a long Daniel Defense rail, foliage green furniture, and an ACOG sitting on top. That doesn't seem to be common. Competition rifles seem to rarely have rails, never have foliage green, and military type scopes don't exactly seem to be the most common nowadays. Is anybody going to frown on that? Is the seemingly shrinking popularity of military looking rifles due to performance, or appearance?
A bit of both. For range work, there is absolutely no need to bolt a bunch of stuff to the front of the rifle, and having all sorts of metal (i.e. weight) dedicated to the task decreases handling. That's why you'll see most competitors using un-railed tubes of some sort.
That's part of my curiosity though, as I'm not sure this is the case. My Daniel Defense lite isn't any heavier than JP's stripped guards. Rainier is listing the extremely popular 15.5" JP guard as 18.24 ounces. My 12" Daniel Defense Lite rail is 15.3 ounces. Comparing apples to apples, a 12" JP is 15 ounces but most people want the longer version which just adds weight. Then if you do want a mini-rail on the JP for attaching a light, you tack on even more weight then have to mess with installing it. I've owned a JP 18" billet upper and it was significantly heavier than my BCM and Daniel Defense build, and that's with having a medium contour BCM barrel vs. a light contour JP. If weight was a concern, in which it was for me, my BCM/DD would be the better choice. But most top competitors would choose the 18" JP or something like it. That's why I wondered if the visual appearance of a rail system was part of the concern.
As for my ACOG, eh, it's not mine, just borrowing it. The only other optic I have is a 3x9 Zeiss hunting scope but the eye box isn't exactly all that great for fast target acquisition. The field of view is awesome on the ACOG and the clarity at night is real nice. I'll get something nice next year. Have to give this one back soon.
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I for one think you can wear camo without looking like these guys:
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=180277
The irony is that there was only one piece of camo between the three of them. That one guy's vest, that's it.
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If you actually want performance and don't care about the logos, which I doubt is the case for most people, I can't imagine that the golf shirts I've seen are physically much different than these, and even real nice ones can be had at most any decent sporting goods store for like $30.
Seriously, look at the G2 web page's semi-custom shooting shirt. Then look at their semi-custom fishing shirt. Then look at their semi-custom bowling shirt. Or how about their full custom racing shirt. They are all the same product.
I used to get into the logo thing with mountain biking but outgrew it after about 10 years. I wasn't impressing anybody with paying for logos while competing in the "sport" class. I realized that the North Face makes some danged good solid color shirts.
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I've wondered if this sentiment goes beyond clothing and onto rifles. I've got an AR with a long Daniel Defense rail, foliage green furniture, and an ACOG sitting on top. That doesn't seem to be common. Competition rifles seem to rarely have rails, never have foliage green, and military type scopes don't exactly seem to be the most common nowadays. Is anybody going to frown on that? Is the seemingly shrinking popularity of military looking rifles due to performance, or appearance?
Shooting from a moving vehicle stage
in Multi-gun Rules / Stage Design / Match Administration
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When I read the thread title, this is the first thing that came to mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwNiTLk91X4