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Weak hand quads with a speed chute are tough. I speak from experience gained by not having enough tubes haha.
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I kind of had a love/ hate with the slug spinners at ironman this year. Had no trouble with rifle spinners using 77s, or pistol spinners using 95s (!). I shoot 1oz, 1300fps low recoil slugs. Unfortunately I grew dependent on my red dot, and it crapped out during our first stage (stage 6), which had a slug spinner. I wasted 6 slugs trying to hit it with the dot traversing back and forth across the glass every shot. Had the same trouble on stage 8. Two 60 sec penalties the first day. I finally regained a feel for shooting slugs off the barrel bead after the first day's shooting was over and I went to the practice range. After that, no more trouble. But, those two penalties probably cost me a couple places in the match. Would have been maybe 13th in open instead of 15th. Was it the target's fault? NO. They are very challenging, and will definitely show you weaknesses in your training. But, that IS what separates the good shooters from the rest of us.
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Haha! I had to finish a half bottle of Jack Daniels in the airport after the 3GN SW regionals because I had so many goodies crammed in my luggage. And I couldn't let it go to waste! I remember very little of the 4 hour flight...........
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Go to U of O
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The Stoeger doesn't have the big V-notch thumbnail remover like a Benelli or a Mossberg, just a shallow radius. I run a factory lifter, as do about 90% of our customers. People with small thumbs, or skinny thumbs, or a loading technique that puts the thumb-tip deep into the mag opening may still want an extended lifter. It is also stainless, so there is not bluing to wear off and look ugly, and it is more rigid than the factory part, so less likely to bend if you abuse it while stuffing the gun. And it looks really nice
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The benefit of the XS is that it is VERY un-obtrusive. A shallow V, almost flush with the rib, with a white line below center. You really don't even notice it except when you need it. Our other most common option is a 10/22 folding sight. When it is down, the notch on the back side of the sight body lets you look right through it and down the rib. Only down side is that you gotta remember to flip it up when you need it, and get it out of the way for flying clays.
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Some may fault me for this, but this is why I always hold at the bottom of clays on this type of stand. If you shoot a little high, it is a clean miss and you have to go back for the target. If you miss a little low, the target is likely going to fall off the stand and give you the points as if you hit it. So I cheat to the low side on my hold, and very rarely have to go back for a clay.
I like that Doug has a strong enough moral perspective of black and white to score the 80yo who took 3 minutes on the stage the same as the high roller going for the end of the prize table with guns on it. Speaks very strongly of his integrity, and I always enjoy ROing under him at matches
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The XS is dovetailed into the rib. Approx 1/4 x .050 , but should be gunsmith fit unless you have the proper files and a dovetail cutter for a milling machine.
This is the sight, but the most expensive way to do it. We stock them in all 3 heights, but use a different front sight.
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Nice, thanks for the vid! We keep these in stock pre-fit for the Stoeger, but this is great for the do-it-yourselfers as well. The TTIs are extremely well made, and load very smooth. We were getting low and just ordered another box of them. Should be arriving any day!
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40 is definitely do-able with slugs. We have been practicing for Ironman, and 70 yards with Federal Truball 1oz 1300fps slugs will spin it in 2 hits every time, even if there are a miss or two between the hits. Shoot your slugs on paper and make sure you know POI at various distances, and to make sure your shotgun likes whatever slugs you get. Some are quite picky.
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***** recoil spring spacer is shortened to increase reliability with light loads*****
Did i miss reading about this mod or is it Top secret MOA-ness.
i almost chop sawed mine but couldn't find where to buy a spare "just in case"
I asked about it when i first found this thread but got no answers. Anyone know where to buy one so I can experiment with it as well?
Other than asking Stoeger for one, I am not sure where to find the spacer. Numrich doesn't list it as available. There is not much to it, and somewhere 60 or 70 pages ago I talked about it. The spacer between the front of the receiver and the recoil spring serves 2 purposes- 1) it centers the fore end so it cant touch the spring, and 2) provides a buffer between spring and receiver. It is easy enough to cut approximately half of it off (the front half, as the back has two little spuds to locate it in the receiver) sand or grind it flat, and bevel the edges so the fore end still installs over it easily. This reduces the pre-load on the recoil spring, without cutting coils.
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A picture is worth a thousand words, so.........
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Noticeably more than the Versamax. Partly due to the inertia vs gas operation, but mostly due to the huge weight discrepancy. The Versa is a HEAVY beast in comparision. On the clock, you don't really feel it.
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A few people have mentioned having difficulty removing the spring cap, so I thought I would share a pro tip here. Discovered as an emergency method after breaking our last pair of snap-ring pliers, it has now become our standard method of removal:
All you need is a 1/2" coarse thread bolt! The minor diameter goes right through the center, and the thread pitch angle breaks loose the goop that glues them in sometimes by lifting the cap on the side where the thread goes under the split. Then you simply slide it out, and it stays captivated on the end of the bolt until you unthread it! Easy to control, no flying parts or broken snap-ring pliers. Here is a pic-
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There is also a shell guide cut on the trigger guard, and the recoil spring spacer is shortened to increase reliability with light loads, as well as Benelli extractor components. I will do a side-by-side compare, as well as pics when MarkCO's gun is assembled
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Sight in with slugs, typ zeroed at 50, and know your holds from 10 to 100. The pattern may not be perfectly centered, but will be within the dispersion pattern. Find the lowest possible mounting method for your red-dot, and make sure it can be removed quickly or co-witnesses your bead in case the battery or electronics fail during a match
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I have been too sick for my other hobbies of late, but I have had a few over the years. Music ( Electric Bass, Studio recording and live with bands or at church), Hunting everything that walks or flies, 4x4s (both building and wheeling), drag racing cars, road racing bikes, inventing gun parts and other mechanical things, skiing, long range precision shooting, bench rest shooting and the ridiculous reloading techniques that it involves, semi pro football for a short while, exploring old mines......... Now the only hobbies that survive are the ones my kids are into, so I can combine with family time.
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The worst thing scientists did was calling this weather phenomen
"GLobal Warming" - actually what is occurring is that the frozen
compenents of the world (glaciers, burgs, etc) are all melting,
VERY Quickly.
That has the effect of warming up the entire earth, but not uniformly -
causes droughts and floods, hot and cold weather.
But, the oil industry has a very easy time convincing us that Global
Warming is pure silly. Which is GREAT for our oil/steel/auto/war
machine that runs the world - but very poor for US - the citizens
who will be flooded/frozen and perhaps starved over the next
few generations.
There, that rant should get this posting shut down.
:ph34r:As long as California is on the "flooded" list, I am all for it. Especially if it happens fast enough to keep them from escaping up here.............
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This^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!!
While I haven't had the problems with Federal bulk ammo that Mark has, I fully agree on the others. BUT, it is entirely possible that I have simply gotten lucky and bought cases from a lot with good hulls. Some people may have horrible luck with Federals. But in the big picture, with $500 on gas, $500 on a hotel, $300 on match fees, $800 in missed work, and $200 on food, an extra $8 for enough shells for a major match seems like super cheap insurance.
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Interesting- That is exactly what he experienced with slugs, but I didn't catch the correlation. I put an XRAIL on it for him, and he had to shoot standard slugs to get it to cycle anyhow after adding the extra weight so it was a moot point. But I never caught the link with the barrel length. Please expound, Mark!
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Barrels can be had from gunpartscorp.com when in stock. The main reason re-choking is so expensive is because the Stoegers are Chrome-lined. They cannot be cut with conventional HSS tools, and Carbide tooling is very spendy.
Current cost is $233.80 plus ship, but out of stock. Might need to call and ask for an estimated delivery.
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1434720.htm
Nothing wrong with using the 28" for 3gun. A friend of mine uses a 28" Stoeger, and uses only two chokes: Skeet (80% of 3GN stages) and LM.
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I have seen this happen on 3 guns when the lifter was bent. Either from improper assembly (forcing it when not lined up) or in one case, it was bent from the factory. It can also happen from overly zealous quad loading. The two rails on either side of the slot down the bottom of the lifter should be exactly the same height. If the rail further from the ejection port (left rail as you hold the gun in shooting position) is higher at all, it will roll the cartridge towards the ejection port, hanging up on the edge of the loading port. I have seen 2 Benelli lifters bent in the same fashion over the years. I have never seen it occur on the TTI lifters, but they have a different shape on the stamping that may be stronger.
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^ This. With shotguns, the majority of ejection problems are either extraction problems or short-strokes. Since your lifter was engaged, it wasn't a short stroke. If it was purely an ejector problem the should would have likely been hanging out the ejection port at an angle, rather than in-line with the bolt stroke.
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Typical Interwebber. Been talking like an expert for years, but just started a month ago
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MGM Spinner and slugs at 40 yards. Gun it or run it?
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The same argument could be made for long steel. A guy with a 6.5 Grendel, or 77s in his 5.56 has a significant advantage over a guy with 55gr .223 loads at 400 yds in a real blow. Does it take more skill to hit that target with the 55s? ABSOLUTELY. He is the better shooter, if they both go 1 for 1. But one guy spent hours on the practice range learning to shoot light bullets in the wind. The other guy spent hours in his shooting library noting the ballistics of various cartridge/ ammo combinations. Getting there either way takes work. One was white collar, one was blue collar. Just depends where you want to focus your effort.