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4 grains of WSF would be a good start.
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Lube the rails with a drop on each side, put a drop each on the lugs on top and bottom of the barrel and reassemble. Then, with the unloaded gun closed, go to the ejection port and put one small drop of oil at the rear of the barrel and another at the front. Then open the gun, lock the slide back and put one drop on the front of the barrel. Cycle the gun a few times and go shoot it. That's just seven small drops for the whole gun.
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Barrel slugs at .3555 throat reamer is .357 bullets are sized to .3565
snipped more...When you cut the new throat longer you probably also cut it larger in diameter (in the new straight cylinder section of the throat that leads to the tapered section). A .3570" reamer will not cut a .3570" hole. As a fix, you might want to try sizing the bullets to .357 or larger.
Can you make a proper chamber cast to really see what your new throat looks like and what it actually measures?
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I know you limited this to two choices, but WSF is good.
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I think you are mostly on the right track, but have not used WSF in the 357. I'd look at powder weights for Unique across a couple of cartridges and bullet weights and extrapolate to a mild load of WSF, then work up.
I do still have some old Winchester 473AA which is a much older powder made for similar purposes, primarily 20ga. target loads and 12ga. field loads. I load 7 grains of 473AA with a 158 lead bullet in 357. That load goes about 1100 fps and is accurate.
You'd be much better off with H110 if you are looking for max velocity with either bullet weight.
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Look at this this page for .30-06 long range loading information:
http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/p/articles-index.html
Salazar knows what he's talking about.
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Not working for me at 3:39 PM Central time.
Working fine for me. What are you using to view the website?
Thanks!
Dustin
Its working now.
Firefox on a Mac.
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Not working for me at 3:39 PM Central time.
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While many prefer the 5 inch, there is nothing wrong with a 4 inch barrel - I prefer the 4 inch.
If the gun is set up right you likely won't need the longer firing pin, but that is a good cure for the lack of QC that S&W exhibits these days.
If cost was no object, a custom bored cylinder with uniform and correctly sized throats and a nice big cut-rifled barrel would be about tops. In example, look at full house, high end PPC revolvers. But a worked over factory gun can be 95% as good for lots less money.
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The RP brass you loaded was all shot in the same gun that bulged the cases?
You could check the cases after sizing to see if they will go in the chamber of your gun.
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There is a mainspring housing by Guncrafters that's kind of "round butted". It is easy to file the frame to fit and you do not have to relocate the cross pin in the frame.
Look at Brownells - http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/frame-parts/mainspring-parts/mainspring-housings/1911-round-mainspring-housing-prod55266.aspx
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chuckstur, that looks a lot like mine. I made a cerrosafe cast and measured best I could with a micrometer. I know your barrel shot well from your test fixture - did you ever get it to work well in the gun?
Bamboo, thanks for the info. I just ordered some SnS 135s. They have a very blunt ogive so should help to fill some space in the throat.
Bill and Dave, thanks for reporting in. Maybe I get too worked up about how I think the barrel should be and not enough with results. I'd like to shoot my own cast bullets, but don't want to order a mold until I get a handle on what this thing wants to be fed.
Keep it comin'.
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I have a new Dan Wesson PM9. It shoots accurately and functions well (for a brand new gun on its first outing) with 135 coated and 125 plated bullets. The PM9 came with Metalform magazines with a spacer in the rear. It also came with a very long throat in the barrel. I can't reach the lands with this particular 135 and have any bullet in the case, but magazine length is the current constraint on cartridge length anyway. I was pretty surprised the 125s shot very well even with an even bigger jump to the lands.
I see three different general possibilities for magazines - Metalform 10 rounders with the rear spacer (essentially what I have now but one more round), 38 Super mages without a spacer, or the "Springfield" type with the front ramp spacer built in.
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I'm kinda thinking of a heavy blunt round nosed bullet loaded long in the 38 Super mags.
What do y'all think?
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And while I'm asking, what might be the intent behind a super long throat in a 9mm 1911? The finish on this barrel is just beautiful inside and out, it is a great piece of work. But the chamber is so different from SAAMI specifications or from a Kart 9mm barrel I compared to.
Thanks in advance.
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I'm using WSF in my revolver with 230 RNL cast bullets. It is accurate and at just barely major power factor a little bit dirty with some unburnt powder particles remaining. But, I'm pretty happy with it. For a do-it-all powder its hard to beat. I use VV310 in my auto pistol. Its cleaner and super accurate but not so versatile because its very fast burning.
Where did you get the WSF?
I need some.
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There is likely a big revolver event to come in Tennessee in 2015. Not in Memphis and not a revolver only event but it'll be big and fun and it'll be a treat to revolver shooters. More to come as it develops.
Wheel gunners make ready!
Where in TN?
Near Nashville.
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Slugged the barrel, with a slight shake it will fall thru the Cylinder.
Tom
Which is good.
I'd size the bullets to be at least a snug fit in the throats, just a bit larger than what your barrel slug measures.
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Measured the 929 with pin guages,barrel is .347" and the cylinder throat is .357" same as my 686.
Smith & Wesson Model 940 in .356 TSW (9x21.5 mm) has .347" barrel and .354" throat.
Tom
Get a soft lead slug and drive it in the barrel to find the groove size.
You can use this to check for fit in the cylinder throat.
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OK.
A two day match is what we have in mind for fall of 2015. The match will not be revolver only, but if I can see a way to make it as appealing as possible for revolvers I will do so.
What are the best features you can imagine for a match to produce a large revolver attendance?
If the magic can be described now I may be able to put it together.
Keep talking.
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The lack of enthusiasm after my last post is not encouraging.
Anyone interested?
Or not?
Would you come to a USPSA event that had something special for revolver shooters?
And what would it take to make you love the match and definitely attend?
Prize table?
Cash payout?
Lots of revolvers?
Revolver friendly stages?
Say it please.
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There is likely a big revolver event to come in Tennessee in 2015. Not in Memphis and not a revolver only event but it'll be big and fun and it'll be a treat to revolver shooters. More to come as it develops.
Wheel gunners make ready!
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Looks like you got it under control.
FWIW, I found VV310 to be super consistent with single digit SDs. 320 not so much, but not bad. Better with hotter loads, but hotter than needed to make major.
4.1 of 310 gives me 849 fps with an H&G 68 out of a Kart barrel and it is accurate.
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Go look at the link I posted.
There is a correction factor for lower velocities like we would have in revolvers and pistols. Greenhill is based on rifle velocities, IIRC. The faster 1-10 twist does indicate use of heavier bullets would be preferable.
Now the big question is why your revolver does not shoot the same load as well as your auto pistol. The answer is that every gun is its own rule. Especially when you get down to shooting off a Ransom or sandbags. And revolvers are tough to get the last drop of accuracy out of. Sometimes tough to get decent accuracy. I'd try some well regarded 9mm factory ammo to see what it does. If you can't get quality factory ammo to shoot reasonably well after a few different brands, the gun might have a problem. Or not. Maybe I'd try to find whatever Jerry M shot the 1000 yard plate with. It might shoot OK.
3.5 inches at 50 is not the end of the world, not unacceptable for USPSA. I'd feel fortunate and think with a little load development it'd certainly do better. If you can get them, try a few other powders and bullets.
What do the Bullseye guys who shoot 9mm use?
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You could get a used .38 special crimp die and cut it off.
Probably 1/10 the cost of that custom die.
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Here is a calculator that might provide some answers.
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmstab-5.1.cgi
Also, I'd look at what PPC shooters use in custom guns as a general guide.
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I was working on my post when Toolguy posted.
IMO, he offers sound advice.
9mm WSF load data
in 9mm/38 Caliber
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There is a ton of WSF 9mm load data. Do a search here and also be sure to look at Hodgdon's site -- http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol