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I almost fell for the tungsten plug...good thing i was able to read Bob's article before deciding to buy it...

This is from Bob Londrigan's website about an article regarding the weight of competition guns... Light vs. Heavy by Bob Londrigan, published in Front Sight Magazine, January 2003 There is an ongoing debate among IPSC shooters as to what is the ideal weight for a competition pistol. Since there is no easy answer to this question, this sparks a debate. The main reason for the debate is that all shooters are different, and they must each determine what type of gun best suits their individual shooting style. I will address the factors that will help you decide what will work best for you. Then I’ll suggest some modifications to your gun that can get you closer to your goal. There are four different types of weight to consider: Reciprocating weight – How much do the moving parts of the gun (mainly the slide) weigh? Weight distribution of the gun – Is the gun muzzle heavy, neutral, or heavy in your hand? Swing weight – How long is the gun and how much weight is out in front of the gun? Total weight – What is the total weight of the gun? You can vary one or more of these weights in order to match how your gun handles and responds to your shooting style as well as your ability to control recoil. First, determine how well you are presently dealing with recoil. Things to consider are: Your physical makeup – This includes your size and weight in general, as well as the size of your hands and forearms, your strength and fitness level, etc. The bigger and stronger you are, the better equipped to handle recoil you are. Your class – GMs handle recoil better than D shooters. The amount of shooting you do each month – The more you practice, the better you will handle recoil. How long you have been shooting IPSC style events and how quickly you are progressing – The faster you progress, the more flexible you will need to be with your gun design. Your gun will have to change as you progress. How comfortable are you with recoil – The more comfortable you are with recoil, the lighter the gun can be. All of these factors have to be considered when designing and setting up your gun. In general, the better you control recoil the lighter your gun needs to be. A light gun will have more perceived recoil but will index from target to target much faster and stop on each target faster. Go too light and you will have trouble controlling the gun. Reciprocating Mass First let’s talk about reciprocating mass. This is going to be mostly in your slide and the bad news is there isn’t much you can without incurring considerable expense and inconvenience. It is a factor to consider if you are buying a new gun and opt for a custom design. If so, get the slide lightened as much as possible. If you are going to a longer slide, make sure it is severely lightened. Do stay away from adding weight that moves such as tungsten guide rod plugs. Click here for more information on the Brazos Custom Lightning Slide Weight Distribution A muzzle-heavy gun will have a tendency to stay put in the same place. This is good for second shot placement on the same target. If you like this type of feel there are several options available to add weight up front: Bull barrel – Adds about 1 ½ oz Long dust cover – Adds about 2 oz. Tungsten guide rod – Adds about 2 oz. Longer gun – Six-inch barrel and slide add about 3 to 4 oz. If you want to add weight in your hand to increase total weight or to balance the weight out front, consider the following options: Steel mainspring housing – Adds 1 ½ oz Stainless steel magwell – Adds 2 oz Tungsten magwell – Adds 6 to 12 oz. Heavier bullets - Add weight in your hand (a magazine full of 220gr bullets weighs almost 4 oz. more than one full of 135 gr. bullets). Swing Weight This will probably not be a factor until you reach the top levels of competition. A longer gun or one that is heavier at the muzzle will be harder to swing from target to target, and it will be more resistant to movement of the muzzle. Total Weight To give you a reference point for total weight, a limited STI/SV gun with a long dust cover, bull barrel, and tungsten guide rod gun weighs in at approximately 39 oz. A steel frame double stack such as a Para Ordnance weighs around 44 oz. A lightened custom STI/SV gun might weigh as low as 33 oz. Before doing anything else weigh your gun on an accurate digital scale to get a baseline reading. Next, using the general guidelines above, decide what total weight you want to head towards. Then make modifications, evaluate, make more modifications, and re-evaluate Light Heavy Cone or bushing barrel Bull barrel Short dust cover Long dust cover Steel or aluminum guide rod Tungsten guide rod Aluminum magwell Stainless steel or tungsten magwell Plastic or aluminum mainspring housing Stainless steel mainspring housing Light bullets Heavy bullets Short lightened comp cone comp Long multi port bull barrel comp Short lightened slide Long full profile slide The goal is to get a gun that you can shoot fast and accurately. Most people try to head towards something that has a low level of perceived recoil. A low "perceived" recoil in a heavier gun means you have spread the recoil out over a longer period of time. This is not necessarily the best place to be. If you control recoil well then the quicker, snappier type of recoil in a light gun might be a better way to go. This lets the sights come back on target quicker and allows you to be ready for the next shot quicker. Again, you as the shooter have to decide what works best for you. There are several things you can do to affect the perceived recoil of your gun – your load, the total weight of your gun, the weight distribution of your gun, recoil springs, etc. For the purpose of this discussion, we will assume that you have settled on a load that works for you. Just remember that in general, light bullets will have a sharper, quicker recoil impulse than heavy bullets. Now you have the basic building blocks to design your gun: Decide on total weight and weight distribution based on how well you control recoil. Add or subtract parts until you get the balance and total weight that suits your shooting style. Keep experimenting to figure out what works best for you (check times and hits). Play with your loads and start over again. Keep re-designing as you get better – The better you get at controlling recoil, the lighter you should be able to go. While deciding on what weight works best for you, decide how the gun will balance. The bull barrel, tungsten guide rod, and long dust cover all weigh about the same and put weight in the same area of the gun. As such, they can be interchanged without affecting the gun balance. This comes in handy when deciding what type of gun will work best for you. You can set up the lightest gun you can handle with a tungsten guide rod and then as you progress, you can switch out the tungsten for a steel guide rod and the gun will keep up with you. Click here for more information on BCG Pro Series Limited Guns. If you look at the guns used by the top 16 shooters right now, you will notice that since the power factor change most use a short dust cover, lighter type gun. But, there are notable exceptions to this trend. Several top shooters are doing quite well with longer heavier style guns. You have to decide what is going to work best for you and design your gun accordingly.

Ditto on that...THIS IS ALREADY MY "TROPHY"...Don't u agree???? He's a member here so i hope he can see browse this thread...post ka rin ng pic mo of ur set up dre..i wana see sana how it looks sa limcat and guga pouches...

title?? hmm...gray is the WAY!!! i S#CK with jokes hehehe thanks guys...so far i love the guga, haven't expereinced any dropping or anything...wouldn't change it for anything... cybrosh, with the limcat pouches, i find it fragile as the mag can be bumped..won't it??

so what u guys are saying, it's worth the extra $$$ for it? any weakness on the tungsten tool less rod? thanks

In person i'm not a show off, i'm really a very humble person...really i am... i may not shoot like the GMs do at least i have cool gear hehehe If you can't beat them well, at least you have the best gadget. japorms !!! Hanggang Japorms lang ako eh ahehehe

Guys, has anyone of u ever tried this docter grip mount from australia? it looks interesting!! what are ur comments about it? thanks

well yeah it would be cool if we could shoot like the GMs do..but hey!!! what about the cool factor??? at least i have that

who did ur grips? beautiful!!!

on my guga i never did have a need for a walk-through-strap..sits firmly and securely...never dropped it...yet

Hi guys, How good is this dlask hammer compared to Extreme Eng, C&S, STI, SV ?? Any comments would be much appreciated!! Thanks guys!! infinity

ahtsay, Give marcello a few more days, i emailed him already and probably this coming week i will be hearing from him...

yes it will fit the single stack and the hi cap frame with minor adjustments...works great for me when i was using my springfield..hope that helps..

As i've been saying always on this forum...go for the ribas...u won't go wrong!! do a search of it..u'll see different reviews by other forum members and the famous Lynn Jones Review mag pouches are great!!! very versatile

Thanks

same here grr hehe btw, how long will the followers last? since its trimmed don't u have any problems with that? thanks aloT!!

how 'bout a 9 1/2 coil, would u? beven once told me that if the mag body is tuned and using his kit u can get 18 in 'em mags, have u tried using grams kit? thanks

Luca what i encountered some time is the last round wouldn't push up, but i'm still using ordinary STI springs. was thinking if the wolff 10% power can push that up on 9 coils. have u tried it? thanks

Sorry for the ignorance, but what's an aluma grip? thanks!!

Springifield for me!!

Luca, were u able to get 19 on ur STI, SV mags? thanks

Hi Phil, 19? Seriously?? how many coils to cut on that? do u have a measurement as to how thin the SV follower should be? i can get 18 reloadable on my STI 126mm mag. thanks alot!!

yes it is!!! hehehe it's quite bloody on the wallet

Dave, what got me impressed with the guga is the retention system, like the CR it has the lock and unlock mode while having the tentioning system of safariland...i just love it!!!

I read all the drama on here about getting mags to hold 18 in Standard or 20 in Limited, and I just have not experienced it. Oh well, lucky me. i've been able to have 18 reloadable for Std div.