Honeybooboo
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I have the case tumbler listed there. The smaller Dillon one.
I guess my biggest confusion still is case prep. I was planning on buying the best brass I can to start. So Lapua. So after I load and shoot my first run, what's needed to get the brass ready to reload other than cleaning it?
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I'm looking to get in to reloading. I've been a little nervous to jump in to it but it's time. I built a package through Dillon. What else do I need to load 9mm for sure and probably 45?
Dillon XL650
- Case feeder
- Powder check
- Bullet tray
- low powder sensor
- 9mm pistol dies
- 9mm case guage
- D-terminator electric scale
- Primer flip tray
- primer pickup tubes
- digital caliper
- Lyman reloading book
- Dillon case cleaner
- case/media separator
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I've been eyeing Atlas hard. What am I getting with an Atlas Titan compared to the STI DVC limited with the Atlas tune and trigger job?
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On 10/13/2016 at 10:51 AM, .45er said:
This! I know glock tried to address the trigger on the gen 4 guns by using the dot connector that has a slightly modified angle (+6 degrees) I still tend to find more mush and creep in the gen 4 guns even with the updated dot connectors. This has been true with all of the guns I have inspected in our department. Because of this reason, I very much prefer the gen 3 trigger when running all stock parts and springs.
The very nature of a dot connector is what makes it mushier. A standard connector will be the crispest, but in a gen 4 it results in a real heavy trigger.
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I've seen this happen to good shooters that really know what they are doing and I don't know the reason for it. All I can say is get another rod and new springs and see if it still happens.
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Gen 3. I have gen 4's but may sell for gen 3's because they have much better triggers. I'm picky about triggers and gen 3's have lighter and crisper triggers all else being equal. They are more reliable too when you start swapping springs because of the geometry.
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A few years ago it seemed like the xdm was fairly popular. Now it seems like nobody shoots one. The ergos are pretty good, the trigger is good and can be excellent.
Is it because if you aren't shooting a Glock the ppq, 320, etc have taken over as the alternative?
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It's his birfday today.
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I shoot glocks. Got a Dan Wesson valor and did not like it at all. The trigger was great but otherwise not a fan.
Got caught up in the hype. Got a Stock 2 and had trigger work done. Wasn't a fan of that either.
I'm just a trashy Glock whore I guess. I want to try a PPQ and VP9 though.
I bet a PPQ trigger in a glock though would be hnggggg.
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Kyle Defoor mentioned his gen 4 19 shooting real high. He switched the recoil rod or something and that apparently fixed it. I dunno?
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The trigger return spring would remain stock. The striker spring would be changed to a 4.5# spring, the recoil spring would be changed to a 13# spring to balance the striker spring change along with the lightened FPB spring. This gives a fairly good trigger with a minus connector and may be a little mushy with the Evo but reduces the stock trigger pull and generally gives an improved trigger pull with very good reliability. With a lightened striker it gives 100% reliabilty with any primer save for the hardened rifle primers for 223.
For EDC guns I don't change anything because when the shit hits the fan you won't know a light trigger from a hard one anyway.
How does the recoil spring affect the striker spring? I understand that using a light recoil spring with a stock striker spring could cause out of battery situations. But how would using a light striker spring with a stock recoil spring affect things?
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I've been buying gen 4's but have been getting frustrated. I generally don't like minus connectors because it makes for a mushy break. The dot connector in a gen 4 is decent but still has some creep compared to a standard connector. A standard connector in a gen 4 is heavy.
It seems like the gen 3's have better triggers overall and can be crisper and smoother. Is anybody shooting gen 3's specifically for the trigger?
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Sphinx is done. Bankrupt or something. But out of business.
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Thanks for all the information guys. Looks like a lot of you still go with the Gen 4s for the reason that I like them. My biggest concern was the ability to change out the recoil spring, but sounds like quite a few of you are running the conversion kit. I will start looking into those.
This will be my first time having a dedicated target/competition gun, so I am not as worried about swapping out parts as I am with my carry.
You don't need a conversion. Jäger makes gen 4 rods. Polymer, steel, and oversized extra heavy steel. Captured. Uncaptured. Whatever you want.
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Thanks HB. I'll give that a try.
Just FYI I can't say your full name, I despise that show. Haha
Haha don't know why I used that name.
Also, I think gen 3's are more forgiving of aggressive spring setups. Gen 4's seem to have more problems with light striker springs combined with heavy trigger springs. I believe the geometry is more aggressive. Steeper trigger spring angle.
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I don't think it's the extra power trigger spring on its own. That combined with a light firing pin spring will possibly cause reset issues. Just a guess but you are probably running a 4lb spring or something right?Rhett - yeah that happens. Mine is that way right now with a Zev spring kit & connector, it's due to the heavier trigger return spring IMO. If I put the stock spring it, it resets just fine and is a little firmer of a pull.
We are trying to tune a 1972 John Deere tractor's steering system here, it'll only get so good before it goes Colonel Sanders on us.
If you are running a 4lb striker spring it's probably best to use a stock trigger spring. If you have a heavier striker spring I think you can get away with the extra power trigger spring. The striker spring is resetting the trigger. So if that's weak, and then needs to battle a heavier trigger spring it's going to reset the trigger with less force. I am no armored. Just what I'm thinking after experience with different triggers, springs, kits, etc.
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It literally has a dot on it.
Literally a dot. Standard connector has nothing. Minus has a - and plus has a +.
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I keep reading the term "dot connector". What exactly is that?
The mushiness is from the connector. All these kits use minus connectors. If you give up some weight and go to a dot or standard connector it cleans up the pull a ton. Still light but it won't be 2.5-3lbs. (Gen 3's typically .5lb lighter with the same setup)My experience is with the Vanek trigger, but when I used the factory striker I would get light strikes with the lightest spring and WSP primers. When I used his supplied Jager striker, it ran 100%. I was very happy with that striker from him. That being said, I wasn't seeing anywhere near the 2# pull he advertises with the GM Classic kit, even with the lightest spring. It was nice with a positive reset, but much closer to 3 than 2.
If I were to do it over again, I can't see any of the kits being something I couldn't get by working it over myself. Wolff springs and a Ghost connector got me about 85% of the trigger for like 15% of the cost. Even the most expensive of these various kits that I've felt still have a somewhat creepy break and moderately mushy and kind of slow reset... there is only so much you can do with stamped metal parts at the fact that you still need to pull that striker back with the trigger.
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Glock has the standard connector that comes on gen 3's. With the gen 4 the trigger will be a half pound heavier then the gen 3 because of the steeper geometry of the trigger parts. So Glock came out with the dot connector for the gen 4's. It's in between a minus connector and the standard. Gen 3's will always be able to get a little bit better triggers.
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My experience is with the Vanek trigger, but when I used the factory striker I would get light strikes with the lightest spring and WSP primers. When I used his supplied Jager striker, it ran 100%. I was very happy with that striker from him. That being said, I wasn't seeing anywhere near the 2# pull he advertises with the GM Classic kit, even with the lightest spring. It was nice with a positive reset, but much closer to 3 than 2.
If I were to do it over again, I can't see any of the kits being something I couldn't get by working it over myself. Wolff springs and a Ghost connector got me about 85% of the trigger for like 15% of the cost. Even the most expensive of these various kits that I've felt still have a somewhat creepy break and moderately mushy and kind of slow reset... there is only so much you can do with stamped metal parts at the fact that you still need to pull that striker back with the trigger.
The mushiness is from the connector. All these kits use minus connectors. If you give up some weight and go to a dot or standard connector it cleans up the pull a ton. Still light but it won't be 2.5-3lbs. (Gen 3's typically .5lb lighter with the same setup)
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The full kit is badass. It's as light and short you'll get a glock trigger. If you are doing it get the full kit with the striker.
However, I also like stock triggers with a standard or dot connector with an extra power trigger spring and either a 5lb striker spring or 4-4.5lb with an aftermarket striker.
I'm not a fan of the creep you get with a minus connector. I'd rather give up some weight and get more crispness with a heavier connector and lose weight with springs.
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Thanks for all of the replies and insight guys. I picked up the new 35 today. Took it out and shot 100 rounds of WWB 165gr FMJ just to be sure it functioned properly before we start cutting on it. WOW, this thing has some pop compared to my 147gr hand loads in my 34! Hopefully when all is said and done I can tame the recoil and muzzle flip. To be completely honest, the gun wasn't much fun to shoot in stock configuration with factory ammo.
Ordered everything we need to load .40 on the 650 today as well. What load have you guys found the 35 likes the best? Obviously soft shooting is paramount!
When you get a magwell and frame weight on there it'll take things down quite a bit. Especially once you start reloading.
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SJC frame weight
Dawson brass magwell or TTI magwell
TTI base pads
Dawson sights
KKM barrel
15lb recoil spring for major
For trigger either just a polish with a standard connector (no minus) with an extra power trigger spring and a 4lb striker spring with a jäger striker; or a DK trigger.
This gun would shoot real flat. Only thing you'd be giving up to a 2011 is a trigger imo. And I like the glock ergos better. I like the more aggressive angle and lower bore axis.
I'm considering this myself. Have a Stock 2 for production but limited is fun. Would be a cool steel challenge gun too. Maybe without the frame weight for that.
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Ok. Guess we will see. Anyone ever use Atlanta Arms in their Tanfos?
What else do I need?
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^^^ good points.