IHAVEGAS
-
Posts
4,259 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Forums
Profiles
Events
Store
Posts posted by IHAVEGAS
-
-
4 hours ago, Thomas H said:
You literally said, and I quote: "..you deliberately selected or modified a popper so that it would react inconsistently..."
You now say that your point was "poppers that behave inconsistently". Your original post said someone deliberately chose or modified a popper so that it would react inconsistently.
There's a significant difference there that is easy to see.
Your revised point IS easy to understand. And yet, it had nothing to do with anything I said, which was that unsurprisingly, the people who lost their calibration challenge had their original hit either quite low, or (more often) as a partial edge hit. The poppers reacted completely consistently in those cases.
Most of the time when I respond to a calibration challenge as an RM it is due to a partial edge hit, and almost invariably, they lose their calibration challenge. When the initial hit was in the calibration zone and full diameter, they most often win their challenge---but those hits are almost never seen (comparatively speaking) in a calibration challenge, because they dropped the popper in the first place.
I have rarely seen an inconsistent popper that wasn't inconsistent solely based on being set badly by a competitor, I'll note.
I am sorry you did not understand the original response. I was using the word "you" as described in item #2 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/you .
-
4 hours ago, motosapiens said:
wait, wut? I mock rifle shooters relentlessly. I shoot Lim, SS or (currently) CO.
Mea Culpa, I thought I remembered that you had gone to the dark side. Thank you for the correction.
-
Per the rule book, if your club does not have "a supply of ammunition and one or more firearms to be used as official calibration tools", is just giving a reshoot on all calibration challenges the right thing to do?
Last time I had an edge hit that didn't fall at a local that is the reasoning that was used. 'We can't calibrate it the way you are supposed to so we can't say it was correctly calibrated'
-
1 hour ago, superdude said:
Different bullet shapes require different overall lengths to fit in the chamber.
The diameter is fine, and is typical of lead or plated 9mm bullets.
That is the 147 that works for me, eyeballing it , it appears that the point at which diameter starts tapering down is closer to the base than the nose. For what it is worth.
-
Edit: Nevermind
-
10 hours ago, OnePivot said:
Flat points work poorly in many 9mm guns because they need to be unreasonably short. It's a better 357sig bullet.
It's not the diameter.
29 minutes ago, NETim said:I have the opposite experience with FP's vs RN's in my Apex Tactical barrels. (ACME Bullets) I have to load the FP's shorter.
I think ogive effects might be being confused with rn versus fp, that is assuming that truncated cone is being considered to be flat point. 9mm 1.15 long 147 sns has worked for me in a variety of guns (CZ, Tanfo, 1911, XDS, XDM, Glock) - loaded shorter I have had ftf issues with CZ's and I think I might have 1 Tanfo I need to load shorter for.
-
16 minutes ago, Sarge said:
Doing away with large poppers would get rid of 95% of the problem.
If the larger calibration zone is wanted the "colt speed steel" (no 'head' , calibration zone center at 22" instead of 27.38", 6" radius calibration zone) seems like it might also move things in the right direction (lighter, less of a windsail, should be cheaper).
I would have sworn that I have seen poppers with the steel below the calibration zone minimized but can't find them on the web and don't see that structure in appendix B2, so possibly they would not be legal?
-
34 minutes ago, motosapiens said:
it just needs to work most of the time with 125pf ammo. If it doesn't work, there is a procedure to deal with it. it's perfectly fine with me if 125pf ammo occasionall doesn't knock steel down. that's why my wife makes me load her minor ammo above 130. she doesn't want to take a chance. She would rather let the guy running 125pf be the unlucky one.
I'm not certain that you really mean that, I suspect that your club runs a good match and you do everything you can to make sure that every competitor with legal ammo achieves the same score for the same performance.
-
4 hours ago, Thomas H said:
Interesting to note how you ignored the part of my post that specifically describe the situations in which shooters lost at calibration requests.
"In all of the other cases, almost invariably it was because someone had a barely-there edge hit on a popper, which then fell easily to 118 PF calibration ammunition."
Looking at how someone snidely insinuated that someone "deliberately selected or modified a popper so that it would react inconsistently" after being literally told what happened and why is....interesting to think about. To use your own words.
If you actively seek out butt hurt that isn't there you will always succeed in finding it.
My point was that poppers which behave inconsistently but usually fall can be expected to lead to failed reshoots. By way of example if a popper fails to react correctly 1% of the time there is a 99% chance that the person who had it fail when they shot will not get a reshoot. It is easy to understand if you think about it, or have watched it happen at matches.
-
14 minutes ago, twodownzero said:
I think the biggest benefit to having 15 rounds in the magazine at the start signal would be that the mag might fall out of the gun faster after I shoot 10 and hit my reload.
Strange. I guess it gets back to stage design. There are a whole lot of 2 - 4 - 6 round shooting positions at the matches I attend.
-
55 minutes ago, twodownzero said:
Making Production 15 rounds in a game set up in 8 round arrays is a waste of time and would change basically nothing other than giving Production shooters more makeup shot potential.
Have you ever shot in any of the low capacity divisions? 10 - 15 is a huge change, agree that a person can design a stage where it would not be but typically I don't see many of those. I typically shoot P10 and a good friend I often squad with and do walk throughs before the matches with shoots SS8, it is interesting how only two rounds difference makes a big difference in stage planning and in level of risk when we both favor the same plan.
-
3 hours ago, shred said:
The way I see it, there are two camps of shooters "Poppers recognize power factor and should only fall to good hits" and "Poppers are targets and should fall over whenever they're hit"
You'll never get both camps to agree.
Agreed
I don't think we need to agree. Let one camp win - add two sentences to the calibration procedure explaining how a properly calibrated popper is supposed to react (E.G. 'note a properly calibrated popper may still screw minor shooters on windy days or when they hit within 1" of the edge of the scoring zone")- problem solved, not everybody will be happy but everybody would be on the same page.
-
40 minutes ago, motosapiens said:
OTOH, if a popper doesn't go down because you hit it low or on the edge or with subminor ammo..... too bad, so sad....
I think everybody here would agree about low shots and your ammo fixation, on the edge of the calibration zone is where things get dicey, small minds like my own can't get past "he was supposed to hit it there - well, look at the paint it is obvious that he did hit it there - well screw him anyway".
-
12 hours ago, PatJones said:
This has been a problem for the entire time I've shot USPSA and I'm glad they're finally doing something about it.
Time will tell. I think the procedure as revised is basically taking what does not work and doing it twice.
-
45 minutes ago, motosapiens said:
Instead of whining like the professionals do
Fixed it.
-
Stock on right 10x left. Maybe not enough visible difference to be spotted by the equipment check guy at a major, maybe I was told wrong and it is legal anyway, maybe just shoot ESP at majors and don't fret it, maybe they will tweak the rules again one of these days?
-
15 minutes ago, TaterHead said:
It seems as though you are calling me any idiot. Offense taken.
"Yet another needless rule change. It has become a sport of whiners"
Turnabout is fair play?
-
11 minutes ago, Thomas H said:
At the recent Minnesota Section match, there were a number of calls for calibration. If I recall correctly, the competitors succeeded in getting a reshoot in exactly two of those cases---one of them the popper looked perfectly fine, but it definitely wasn't going to fall as the stand for it had shifted in angle; in the other case, the RM shot like crap and screwed up the calibration shot and the competitor got a reshoot.
Interesting to think about that one.
If you deliberately selected or modified a popper so that it would react inconsistently say 1-10% of the time you would expect a large number of unsuccessful (from the shooters perspective) calibration requests.
-
46 minutes ago, motosapiens said:
The system works great the way it is as long as RO's pay attention to their stage.
You know we are all going to be giggling if you are the next guy that gets the Mike after a good hit at a big match
-
16 minutes ago, MikeBurgess said:
for your solution to work we would have to come up with some sort of overlay for the calibration zone (where is the bottom exactly?) and how do you determine full diameter in a paint splash at the edge? you have to draw a hard line in the rules not a vague idea that you know but the next guy may do differently?
We are presently able to determine when a calibration shot hits within the calibration zone (C1.7.a) , and the calibration procedure allows for partial hits (C1.7.b - "hits the popper anywhere on its frontal surface"). Since we can make this determination on a calibration shot, and since the popper is deemed not calibrated if it does not fall with an edge hit, it seems like the "how" is already established and time tested.
-
You might want to talk to an IDPA rules guru - I think the CGW 10x bushing (externally visible) bumped your gun to ESP. Might be that any external visible difference in trigger shape bumps you to ESP also.
Bottom gun has CZ 85 trigger installed, oem sp01 trigger laying on it, top gun is whatever trigger comes on a shadow 1 orange. I can't see a meaningful change in reach with any (but the 85 was good for eliminating finger pinch).
-
55 minutes ago, motosapiens said:
Now I admit that it's possible that the clubs where I shoot are just more diligent about keeping their equipment adjusted properly than the clubs where you shoot.
And not all poppers are created equal (and buying new ones ain't cheap).
52 minutes ago, motosapiens said:wind definitely is a factor, and it's pretty likely that it was an additional factor (besides the subminor ammo) in JJ's situation.... but that's what happens in outdoor sports. it happens in the NFL too. Sometimes the sun gets in your eyes too, or it's dusty, or it rains on some people but not others.
Agreed. Sometimes the answer to a problem is 'sorry, you were unfortunate' and other times the answer is to do something differently to avoid the problem, a sport could make a conscious decision to do the 'it is what it is' approach similar to weather related issues. I think with a pro shooter at a big match and an obvious wind gust 'it is what it is' would be challenged successfully.
7 minutes ago, SGT_Schultz said:The entire calibration zone counts. A popper hit on the edge of the calibration zone must fall, or it must be adjusted until it does.
I agree that it is inconsistent that the entire calibration zone does not 'count' the same way that the entire scoring zone on paper or the entire area of a plate counts.
I could live with things left as they are - and being aware that you must call a center hit when a big steel is the last target from a position - if I was King, an obvious hit mark anywhere in the calibration zone would count as a hit.
-
8 hours ago, BritinUSA said:
…or just abolish all poppers and replace with plates. If they fail to fall then it’s usually a REF, they are easier to haul around from equipment shack to the berms, and they are cheaper.
I am a big fan of the smaller poppers, or the big poppers with the non calibration area skeletonized, for some of the practicality reasons you noted above and because fewer people get screwed when the wind holds them up and because there are fewer reshoots when the wind blows them down and because they do not require recalibration as often due to shifting on muddy or otherwise loose soil.
Surprised that gusty windy days are not a more prevalent part of this discussion, wind gusts strong enough to blow them down (which I assume everyone has seen - usually happens to you on the last target of your best stage of the day) are likely more than strong enough to hold them up when hit with minor power factor bullets.
-
9 minutes ago, motosapiens said:
you mean the 'calibration zone' ?
Yes, the calibration zone.
Super GP100 tuning
in Revolver Forum
Posted
I am 99% decided that my 929 won the comparison test, send me a pm if you want 9mm used.