[Limited Comp: measurement questions?]

Wakal.

i have a Springfield Scout/Squad and had the same question so I e-mailed USPSA .

the response was as follows:

The comp/break cannot be over 1 inch in diameter along the axis of the bore, and it can not be over 3 inches long from the crown/rifling to the end of the break as Kurt said.

So Kurt Is THE MAN with the plan

Kurt, I am ready for the MS 3-gun things are coming together

[How About Some Competition]

hey guys,

At the Alabama Section this last March there were 9 or 10 revolver shooters,

Cliff Walsh won the thing but he had Competition, 2nd had 91 % and 3rd had 89% (Thats Me)

I think the points Series will help a little but the fact of percentages is the bigger problem here. There are more Autos out there than Revolvers. My bet is there are more Tupper ware autos used than revolvers owned by competitive shooters.

I started shooting revolver with a Ruger gp 100 in IDPA, then got the 610, our club in Corinth, MS will have 5-10 revolvers at a montly match.

I also shoot a limited gun and shot it exclusively last year ,went from C-A class limited in 8 months so I thought I would "catch the Revolver up" now that the A class limited gets me to B revolver I will have to get the classifier percentage up to 60% or better. Personal goals and drive to beter oneself is one of my motivating factors.

Back in March I went to Memphis and shot the 610 at the Indoor Idpa match (70 shooters or so) I had not shot any IDPA in about 3 months and had not been practicing much at all, just enough to keep the rust off me and the gun

I ended up winning the revolver division and was 14 overall and I'm not that good with one of these things (yet?) the satisfaction to me was the fact of smoking a bunch of Autos in the hands of a few that know how to use them correctly helped a whole bunch.

There was a young lady there that shot revolver from either MO or Ar and she had not been shooting long but she was quite qood so with time and bullets down range we will have to watch our backs because she IS coming.

Revolvers are more Common in IDPA than USPSA because of the "revolver friendly" stage setup and the 18 round rule per stage i think but to me USPSA is more challenging from all aspects of the game, what we need to do as USPSA enthusiasts is to go to these IDPA matches shoot with them (because they are gun owners too) and get some of them converted to USPSA. I have managed to get 3 of the guys down here to do that so if there is a will there is a way.

I will see ya'll at Area 3,4,5 and the Nationals, and Sectionals around TN

see ya there

[2004 USPSA Nationals]

Hi SG what are you doing up at 4:30 in the Morning on a Saturday?

"are you crazy?"

Hopalong

and give the RB H#@L !!!!

[2004 USPSA Nationals]

Just got a slot !!!!!!! I shot PASA last year for the first time, HAD TONS O FUN, now got to figure out how to shoot wheel guns in the dark (Surfire Darkhouse) How about a "wheelgun Squad"?

Hopalong

[Double charge]

Thanks Doug,

I have been under the impression that the trouble powder was just CLAYS.

I use Winchester Super Field for My .40 S&W I may just work up a load for that powder and not worry about using other powders.

Quick note: I got a slot for the Nationals so look for the guy who resembles his nickname I will run the "shootin iron" if it is back "on-line" if not the back up 610 will have to do

As for I'M OK, The biggest thing that told me it did it was the sight going away, the gun recoiled but didn't feel that much different.(shooting srong hand only on the plate rack) the guys watching said I slamed the plate down though.

have a good weekend, I am going to Memphis Sunday and shoot the "other shootin iron" to start getting back friends with it.

SAM KEEN

[Double charge]

Ok guys(and Gals)

The "shootin Iron" took a beating but is still quite sound. I am going to have it looked at by a "smith".

the cylinder where it is notched to lock up at the time of ignition is the weak spot.

right above it is one of the holes pre drilled for scope mounts when she blew, gas went up the hole and thus blew the sight off.

on the backstrap there is an indention where the split in the cylinder marked it so I can reasonally believe that it has been stretched at least.

I have up till now shot .40 S&W through either my 610 or my bottom feeder and shoot the same load in both and load it on a 650 with a smooth deliberate rythm and look at the shells as they hit the 3rd station where the optional powder sensor is. I was in the process of ordering the stuff to reload .45 ACP on the 650 and was conveniently using a friends 550 instead of the ROCK CHUCKER like I had in the past. I really thought I had payed attention to what I was doing though.

Now back to the 610 until the "shootin iron" can be replaced or repaired which ever is the better way out.

Thanks for the Input guys, I will see some of you at A-4 and if I can get a slot, the Nationals

[Purchasing an M14]

Hi Patriot,

I have a Springfield Scout Squad rifle, and use it for 3-gun, shot my First Major match with it at Tennessee Tactical.

I have had Zero problems with this gun, the only thing is the Factory break is not USPSA legal ( a hair to long) it needs to be 3 inches or less from the end of the rifling out. If you have a good machinist he can put the break in a lathe and trim some off of the end.

I myself have a break that is 2nd generation from Springfield on mine.

I spoke to the Rifle Engineer at the Factory gun Nationals last year and told him about the too long he said at the time they were developing some new ones for the SOCOM and that he had a shorter more efficient one on a gun they were testing.(the SOCOM).

According to him the break on the Standard Scout/Squad will let the Muzzle rise on a true M14 in full auto, the one I have will hold it relatively still, and the one on the SOCOM will actually drive the Muzzle down in full auto IMPRESSIVE to say the least.

Magazines are the real deal here, the GI 20s will run forever if you keep them clean and in good shape, you will need to replace the springs eventually.

Maybe when(I really HOPE) the Ban on magazines sunsets we will be able to get good reliable 30 rounders. I have one cheapo that actually works 99% of the time.

I reload my .308 for I also have a National Match that I shoot in NRA Hi-Power. for My scout/squad i load 42 gr of IMR 4034 (light Blue can) using the Bulk Winchester 147 gr fmj and use winchester large rifle primers. I crimp on the Canalure of the bullet. this will give me enough to make the New Power Factor in USPSA. (340000) in my gun, different comp/break may not.I also have a Tasco red dot on the forward mount, I have come to like it and it will shave about 2 seconds a run off a course with 10-14 targets. with the red dot (3 minute dot) this rifle will shoot 3 inch or less groups with the above load. I have not shot it past 200 yds ever so I can not tell you anything about that.

At our last quarterly 3-gun Uspsa match I won the limited division aggregate due to the fact that I shot Major rifle if I had shot my AR-15 the points difference would have put me behind one of those Matel Toys.

My next Project SPRINGFIELD SOCOM

Good Luck with your delima, I am sorry I can only help with one side of the problem but I am not hesitant to recomend the Scout/Squad the standard rifle to me is too long and is way more brutal.

SAM KEEN

[Mississippi State 3 Gun Match]

Hi ya'll just a quick update:

Limited 4 Open 10 Tactical 19

I have spoken to several that have said they intend to come but have not recieved their entry forms yet my guess is around 10 more that I know of.

keep the pressure on those who have not committed the more the merrier

See ya'll in 3 weeks

SAM KEEN

Also a reply to Benny's quote. "its going to be a shotgun hosefest"

You got some of it right

[Weak Hand Drill]

Way to go JFD !!!!!! Congrats

Now you are in the class where all the A class shooters who are trying hard to not make master are

Hopalong

[Weak Hand Drill]

I know I am kind of Late with this but I have just now found it.

My buddies and I shoot the plate rack with 8 inch plates.

Free style from left to right and then right to left. all seperate strings. Bianci plates, 10 yds 6 seconds, 15 yds 7 seconds, 20 yds 8 seconds, 25 yds 9 seconds, 30 yds 10 seconds, 35yds, 11 seconds, 40 yds 12 seconds, 45 yds 13 seconds.

a perfect score is 48, you shoot 1 shot per plate and do not make up shots.

while shooting this at each position we also shoot strong hand and weak hand with no set time, shoot for center of plate. you will be surprised how quick the strong hand and weak hand improve.

should go like this:

10 yds. draw and shoot 6 plates left to right in 6 seconds, draw and shoot plates right to left in 6 seconds. draw and shoot plates right to left strong handed, just hit them. draw transfer to weak hand and shoot 6 plates left to right, take your time, make sure you squeeze the trigger and don't JERK it with the left hand, That is the key to weak hand shooting CONTROL THAT FINGER.

after 10 yds go to 15, 20 ect. this will burn around 200 rounds so it is a good practice session all by itself. I don't recomend shooting it cold but don't shoot it after very much other shooting.

try bill drills to get warmed up then plates.

GOOD LUCK

Hopalong

[Match vs. Practice]

Oh BTW, My advisor (GM open and Limited) is always telling me to practice on the edge of out of control and then when it counts take it down a notch, good advise, maybe thats it???

any one else????

[Match vs. Practice]

Ok, here's one.

I generally practice draws on 12 in steel at 10 yards. (no taping)

When I run the bottom feeder which until last November was all the time.(no open red dot space gun) and NO MATTELL TOYS or as some call it "tupper ware"

At the practice range I could get really good draws, .70+- with both shots hits and 15-18 splits. sometimes we get the whiff but mostly hits.

I could keep it under 1.00 or around there and keep the splits.all hits 95% of time

Come match day if I get a target 12 yds and in I should be able to do the same stuff, 1.00 and 2 A with 15-18 splits.

BUT NOT, usually it will be 1.20 but the splits and hits are the same.

WHAT IS GOING ON?

Now that I am shooting the wheel gun:

draws when going all out .8 and usually 1 hit 1 miss the second is the miss

I think (pretty sure) i'm not getting the gun stopped and run past it on the second shot.

Match day draws go into the 1.20s on close targets that are wide open splits .18-.22, the splits are usually the same as practice just the draw gets slower.But we are getting 2 As

ANY IDEAS???

[Working out your eyes]

There is a drill in the USPSA website, look at the GM helpful hints.

[Double charge]

Ok guys, I know I need another toolhead or another 650 Dillon, I was using a friends 550 and am used to the auto indexing of the 650

Today at our local steel match I blew the "shootin Iron" up 6.4 gr. International Clays behind 200gr Jacketed Semi wadcutter. normally shoot 3.2 behind 230 lead roundnose but just getting rid of the SWC.

The cylinder has a split 2/3 down that hole, it blew the back sight off but at first glance that is all I see.

Revolvers are relatively new to me so what do I do to make sure it is safe, I know a new cyl. and sight are obvious but all else looks ok, I will get her cleaned up and look closer and report back, in the mean time ya'll HELP.

I am now going to the 610 for backup but sure wanted to shoot the 625 at A-4

[Mississippi State 3 Gun Match]

Yes, Curtis we think we saw kurt load the shotgun, to me it was a blur

For those who know Kurt (slight of hand shotgunner) his use of the smootbore is "not normal" For those of you who don't He is inspiring!

Kurt I will have a fan club to follow you around at the match before it is all over

I have been debating on publishing the stages, a few I have talked to went both ways so what about it?

Hopalong

[Mississippi State 3 Gun Match]

Hi guys and gals,

I though I would update.

I am getting 2-3 entries a day now and have had several calls.

Match HOTEL:: Comfort INN, Corinth, MS 662-287-4421

we could not get with the Hampton so we used the Comfort again.

Rough schedule will be on the website www.crssa.com soon.

squad schedule will not be posted because depending on entries is # of squads and # in a squad.

Food LUNCH will be Available at the range Saturday, drinks and snacks both days.

entries by Division

Limited: 3 Open: 10 Tactical: 16

Most common classification: Master

quick run through on stages,

Shotgun. 1 slug virgina count 12 shots

2 field courses 1 has 20+ shots the other 14 if you don't miss

2 speed shoots

Rifle 4 field courses 1 is kind of standards

Pistol 4 field courses 1 is kind of standards

Hope this helps, those who are already entered, drag someone else down with you, those who haven't yet and are planning on it, bring someone else too.

See You In MAY SAM KEEN

[Tennessee Tactical 3-gun]

Well for ole "Hopalong" I have to say that Curits put on one Heck of a Match

This was my first "Tactical" match and boy did I get my eyes opened

Slowsure and I shot on Friday and worked Saturday I don't know which stage he was on but I was on 7 the shotgun in the barrel and the "random" no-shoots.

I really enjoyed not just the match but all I met and got to talk to, I know several BE 'rs were there and I remember a few but you know there were about 40 shooters coming through on Saturday.

For all those who could not make it you missed a good one !!

For those who made it and that I actually got to talk to, it was a good time.

This match according to the MD will be a two day match next year and will have at least 100 shooters.

Slowsure, I will try to get up there to shoot with ya'll ASAP

The Biggest thing I saw this weekend was that to be a good 3-gunner, LEARN how to RELOAD the SHOTGUN (VERY FAST)

Shoot Straight, Shoot Fast, Look GOOD, BE SAFE !!!! Hopalong

[Mississippi State 3 Gun Match]

Immcrock

that means the pistol portion of the match will be limited or open,(make scoring easier) If you don't want to shoot using your L-10 classification you can shoot in Unclassed, your choice. or if you shoot production and are classified in it you can use that classification.

prize awards are for the aggregate score, we are trying to keep it Simple for the first one of these. that is why the Limited or Open for Pistol

Hopalong- aka - SAM KEEN

by the way the match is not full, so anyone still interested check www.crssa.com

we got the Hotel problem fixed, a rough schedule is up depending on number of shooters is number of squads so no squad schedule will be posted.

I will tell ya'll this, "Practice reloading the Shotgun, find out where it shoots slugs out to around 60 yards." Nothing longer than 100 yds for the rifle.

There is very little intrest in Match shirts so there will not be any this year.

I am going to be at the Tn Tactical 3-gun this weekend see ya'll there if any of you are shooting, I will answer questions and have match entry forms, (copy of stages?)

Have a good weekend!

[Mississippi State 3 Gun Match]

Hey folks, I have a little information you need to know about the Mississippi 3-gun Match:

The Match Hotel in not the Hampton inn, it is offically the Comfort inn.

we could not get together with the Hampton and so the Change, and I also listed it a little too quick, ( SORRY) Phone number to the Comfort INN 662-287-4421

When our webmaster gets back from Arizona next week We will have a schedule, and more information on the club website: www.crssa.com

We will be raffling off a dillon 550 without a caliber conversion at the match(thought ya'll might want a shot at it)

Just a few names of people coming to shoot:

Frank Garcia GM, Benny Hill M, Jeff Cramblit M( i think), Lynn Jones M, Stan Wigginton GM, Emanuel Bragg GM, Max Davidson M, Bryant Chaffin GM, Chad Lofton M (SANDBAGGER), and then the rest of us also rans!!!

[special "classifier match" in Mississippi]

SG

The guy you call yours!

[special "classifier match" in Mississippi]

April Classifer match

I know it is Easter Sunday, but it is the only day we have to do this

Aprl 11, 2004

Cross Roads Sport Shooting Assn

Glen, MS ( just east of Corinth MS )

Shooting starts at 1:00 pm, walk through just prior

4 stages of classifiers (not short quickies) and 1 fun stage

I personally don't know the match fees because of the 4 stages of classifers but call 662-287-3235 and ask Nathan or Heidi but it will be as low as can be.

come on come all we will have a ball

for those thinking about coming to the Mississippi 3-gun match this is where it is going to be held, we are doing the classifier match for those who would like to classify who might have just joined USPSA or those who would like to be in the class they really belong in (MR B class open SANDBAGGER) or would like to classify with another gun they don't normally shoot.

Thanks and see you then (maybe) and shoot straight!!! Hopalong a.k.a Sam Keen

[2004 Match]

hope to get there, will use the same old "shootin iron"

"have gun will travel"

[USPSA multi-gun stage scoring?]

Ok guys, here is what we are doing at the Mississippi State match to address this issue.

1 we are not having multi-gun stages due to the scoring problem

2 we are having 3 divisions, 1 open 2 limited 3 tactical

1 open run what you brung

2 limited thats just it, everything fits into limited division

3 tactical limited division equipment except your limited legal rifle may have 1 optic on it.

3 I listed the match on 3 websites 5 months ahead of time for the people who are interested can decide on what they want to shoot.

4 we are paying back the aggrigate results only!!!

back to 1

1 if you declare major PF on pistol it will be scored as so, if you declare minor it will be scored as so, there for if you bring a Glock 17 and shoot using the 18 round mags it will be limited but minor PF

2 same in rifle you declare PF we will score as so ( unless you don't make PF)

SAM KEEN By the way I'm from South Texas, and down there as also in TN we belive in the K.I.S.S. method. FORGET the old rules MAKE NEW ones.

[2004 Area 4]

I am going to get my Butt smoked by Jerry "MR REVOLVER" but will enjoy it any way, I shot it last year c-class limited, I will miss the bottom feeder on the Texas stars!!!

[2004 USPSA Nationals]

I'm going if they send me my slot for class win at A-4

will be shooting my "shootin iron" c-class limited -" 6 "