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First of all, it was great to meet Jerry Miculek, Cliff Walsh, Richard Timberlake and Bob Woolsey(spelling?) I got to shoot with all the above but Bob. (Area - 3 revolver winner)
As you all guessed Jerry did another good job of demonstrating why he is the best in the world with one of these wheel guns.
Cliff Walsh, last years points series Champion showed why he was just that as he chased Jerry all day but could not reel him in.
Cliff ended up second with a 78% 
and some fellow I know with a limp and no hair ended up 3rd with a 69% (only 9% between Cliff and I, that cuts 2 % off from last time we shot the same match) I did not get to see much more of the results as the crowd around the lists was quite large and I was not very close.
The first thing I saw was stage management is the key to success, I have not shot any USPSA with any other revolver shooters at all until this match and have not read some of the stages correctly in the past. Thanks goes to Jerry and Cliff and Richard Timberlake for their help and advice.
The next thing I saw was just the same thing I learned while shooting Limited,....
Shoot 1 shot at steel otherwise you are just wasting time.....
The next thing I saw is as we all keep hearing here on BE.com is not to rush yourself, and run only as fast as the front sight will let you.... I KNOW this but sometimes as my dear mother says "you're hard headed"
I did not get to shoot the "shootin iron" as I have been working with the 610 since that fatefull day I blew it up but the "other shootin iron" ran flawlessly, sometimes the driver lost traction though.
I now know what I need to work on, and will see how well that does in 4 weeks at the TN section where Cliff, Richard, and I will rub elbows once again. (looking forward to shooting with them again)
The match was a very techical match and very challenging as one stage did not lead to another and you could not get rolling, you had to start all over again on each stage.
Thats the most things that stick in my head right now but it is a tired head (and the rest of me too)
Congrats to all, and see you at TN section in 4 weeks
SAM KEEN / Hopalong
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Well I just got back to TN,
The match was very technical as every one is saying, but if you just tried to keep it simple and stay in control it was not too bad.
This was my first match to actually shoot with other revolvers and I got to watch both Jerry M, and Cliff W kick my a$$ but I did not go down easy.
I had a personal goal to shoot 70% of Jerry M and not worry about anything else and ended up 69% with a couple of stages where I just helped everyone else out so I now know where I really stand, and know where I need to pick up the slack.
Congrats go to All who won, and all who met their own personal goals I would like to mention CJL32 on our own BE.com as 2nd master limited, it suprised him as well as he said he did not think he did that good.
To the staff, good job some of you had to work some real hard stages (180 and other good stuff) I was stopped on stage 8 myself when one of the ROs thought I broke the 180 (which is the right thing to do) but after talking with him and the other RO that was following they could not tell if I did or didn't so I got a reshoot instead.
Guys, that is just the thing I am talking about as good staff being on their toes these guys knew it was a touchy stage in spots and told everyone before hand and then when they thought things got unsafe or borderline they stopped the shooter before things got worse, GREAT JOB hats off to you.... and if I had got DQed I would not have liked it much but that is the right thing to do and I would have just got a ringside seat to the rest of the match.
Good Match, Great Staff, VERY GREAT WEATHER
Hopalong
SAM KEEN
oh yeah, BDH I slipped right by you with out introducing myself but next time I will for sure, but please don't get on a stage with that many steel.
and one more thing, That D@MN barrel got me and cjl32 also
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Redmist10
Thanks
Hopalong
Any thing in the 70 % range will put me well over and into A - class, Just in time for Nationals !!!!! No matter what your class, just shoot to your abilities and let the dust settle where it falls.
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Redmist10
Thanks
Hopalong
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Firewalker,
Thanks for the Heads up !!!
I'm with you though, not cool to have to have PC gun to have it.
Hopalong
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OK here is the results of the OOPS !!!!!!
1 back sight, replace at cost
1 cylinder, replaced at cost
Smith & Wessson checked out gun and said don't do that anymore
plus 50 bucks labor....
Got shooting Iron back too late to use at Area - 3 but will be running it at TN section and Nationals
Looking forward to Area-3 as Arnie has us in a revolver squad with The KING and his better half, I also look forward to shooting with Cliff and the others on this forum who have given their good advice.
Hopalong
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Ok, I will add mine....
2003 Factory gun Nationals (my first Nationals) c class L-10 I don't shoot L-10 but was NOT going to oregon for Limited.
1st stage of match i'm 3rd or 4th shooter, good guy Chaz Myers (MS section coordinator) is running the timer.
he tells me LAMR. I get sight picture dry fire a target 2 or 3 times, pull out "barney mag" from back pocket, charge gun, put on safety, eject mag for full one, holstergun.
he asks are you ready? I don't answer I'm concentrating on first target, so the buzzer goes beep, I draw get good sight picture, bang, click WTF!!! look at gun
no mag in gun, look on ground no mag on ground, reload and go through stage, at the end Chaz told me to put a fresh mag in the gun next time after charging it and taking the "barney mag" out.
Thanks Chaz I WILL try to remember that!!!!!
Hopalong
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We shot this thing in Memphis today....
cjl32 master limited 5.59
8 alpha
3 charlie
1 delta
54 points
HF 9.7826
Hopalong B revolver 8.79
11 alpha
1 charlie
59 points
HF 6.7121
we both are on the edge of going up in class, could you give us an Idea where they stack up???
cjl32 shot the left two paper, reloaded and cleaned up the right.
I on the other hand with my 6 shots at a time went right 3 paper reloaded and 2 paper and 2 pepper poppers.
Hopalong
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Back early in the month tightloop said something about it not raining!!!!
well we here in Soutwest TN ended up with 17 days of rain in the month of July!!!!
to top it all off on the last day of the month we got a 4+ inch rain.....
Next time talk about the good shooting weather tightloop.
Hopalong
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when I had the "jamming" when halfway down it turned out a primer that had stuck in the priming plate was "dragging" not letting it all turn smootly.
Take the priming system apart and look for a stuck primer in the plate or somewhere around it that would make it drag.
If all else fails get on the Phone and call Dillon, if you and them can't fix it over the phone then maybe you can talk them into fixing it for you.
GOOD LUCK
SAM
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If I can swing it I will be shooting Revolver Saturday! B class
Good to know that there will be some others there even if we don't shoot on the same day.
Hopalong.
Jeff, you working the match too?
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Shoepop,
Instead of "stageing" the trigger, if you don't have a timer borrow one and figgure out how long it takes you to get a good sight picture and smoothly stroke the tigger and get another sight picture and smoothly stroke the trigger again but not stopping between shots.
example buzzer, draw gun comes up sees sights on target smoothly go through trigger, bang sights go up while sights are going up release trigger and start smoothly through the trigger again, sights come down settle on target bang.
might be something like this on the timer.
first shot 1.82 second shot .38
now try at more than one target, what you are looking for is what ever time it takes you to draw, get a good sight picture and go through the trigger smoothly and in rythem, what this does is keeps the hammer moving all the time and gets rid of the "dead time" in staging the trigger.
here is what you should get if you have 3 targets say 15 yds away wide open.
draw 2.10( these are random made up times so don't use them as a reference)
.42 second shot .40-.45 third shot(between targets) .42 fourth shot, .40-.45 fifth shot (between targets) and another .42
the biggest way to gain time is speed up between targets esp if they are evenly spaced a good smooth rythem will beat two fast shots, slow transition to 2nd target 2 fast shots and slow transition to 3rd target and 2 last shots.
Stageing the trigger is keeping it moving while the gun moves yes but most peoples staging has a stop in the middle of the stage, you are on the right track now just keep the hammer moving and don't stop until you have got the target(s) taken care of.
lets do the math for the above. 2.10+.42+.45+.42+.41.+42=4.22
now lets do the match for fast slow fast slow
draw will be the same 2.10+.28+.85+.25+.84+.21=4.48
now see the difference? plus the other way you actually have more tme between shots to watch the sights.
Good luck! welcome to the wonderful world of revolvers, keep working and keep asking, I wish I had something like this when I started doing this!!!
And as Firewalker stressed be carefull (extra, extra) when drawing, I myself do not prep the trigger until the gun has come halfway up from the draw and am already seeing the sights.
Hopalong
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Lower A zone, just watch the sights and press the trigger until it goes bang twice with a nice smooth rythem.
I only shoot a dot on my rifle but still would go to lower a zone.
on revover, and my Limited gun no change in tactics.
good shooting.
HOPALONG
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Sorry BDH,
GOOD LUCK
Hopalong
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JimmyB, Sorry we feal for you over here.
Basman,
I have both a 625 and a 610, the 625 is a 5 inch gun and the 610 a 4 incher,
as you have figured out in revolver the most important thing is a smooth,consistant reload (Jerry M. says 2.00 seconds is fast) and that seems to be the goal time wise.
I have took an average of 10 reloads apiece on both guns and the 625 reloads on the average .12 faster for me. there is less metal between cylinder holes on the 625 so they are easyer to hit, but the 610 is not bad either just every now and then the reload bounces off the metal between the cylinder holes instead of going in.
You say you reload for both already so that is no problem, here is something really important, make sure you have a very clean burning powder. as you shoot in a match the cylinder will get dirty on you and the empty cases will stick so cleanliness is important too. I know some revo shooters that clean their cylinder after every stage, I myself do it only at major matches as I consider local club matches practice and don't worry about cleaning it there.
If you are going to shoot only USPSA and ICORE with one gun I would recomend the 625 5 inch
If you are going to shoot some IDPA too you may want to consider the 4 inch version. I myself am using my 4 inch 610 in both right now but will be using the 625 for USPSA after Area-3
I intend to get a 646 like Carmoney and shoot it in IDPA as the smaller cylinder will make reloading it like reloading a 625 and that is a good thing.
good Luck, good shooting and welcome to the wonderful world of revolvers.
Like a good friend of mine told me "anyone can learn to shoot an automatic, but not every one can shoot a revolver"
SAM KEEN
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Rhino,
Don't want to know a name or what type gun the culprit shot....
but could you elaberate on what they did ????
Hopalong
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Nice gun.....
Good luck with it and have fun.....
Now I.m jealous, he has one and mine is not back from S&W yet
Hopalong
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Krag,
When you get all the answers and tallie up the totals, let us know what states have them and which ones do.
Hopalong
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Hey guys, Just dropping some info here....
Mississippi IDPA State Championship,
November 13, 2004
Cross Roads Sport Shooting Assn, Glen, Mississippi ( just east of Corinth, MS)
Same place as the last 2....
10-12 stages
will cut off at 150 shooters staff included.
working with STI for Contengency status.
we have shot 100 + shooters for the last 2 years, last year was 123 and we were done shooting by 4:00 but computer crashed at the last minute and had to go to backup. Live and Learn.
For those who came to the Mississippi State USPSA 3-gun match it is the same range.
Cool mornings and very comfortable day, will be great...
See You there.
More Info: www.crssa.com click on IDPA
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shotgunsportz,
You have it figgured out pretty well, my only suggestion is find someone who has one or both of these guns and try them out if they will let you, most people will.
I myself started with a Ruger GP 100 4 inch and went to the S&W 610 after a year and shoot .40S&W in it for both USPSA and IDPA
I have now picked up a 625 5 inch for USPSA and have a 646 on the way for IDPA as I have small hands and like the L frame a little better, I might try it for USPSA but don't think I will like it as the hotter loads in USPSA will really make the L frame recoil. The 610 will now become a backup gun and get a scope during deer season and be the meat gun.
Good Luck, I don't think you will be disapointed either way.
Sam Keen
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Flex is right, rules are rules and they are made to be broken
Just kidding Flex.
IMHO Twix has is down pretty good, coach those who need it (new shooters ect)
Make SURE everything is done in a SAFE manner and have a good time with good friends As 40AET explained.
Club matches are the heart and soul of our sport, we don't need to throw the rule book at our shooters but we do need to make sure they know the rules (twix/descretion) esp new shooters to our sport (maybe IDPA changeovers who don't know the rules but do know how to handle a gun)
In 40AET s particular situation he did the correct thing by ignoring the well intended coaching but he did not need it and the RO who I'm sure meant well should have held his toung and lead the laughing after the Range clear command.
Yes follow the rules they are there for a reason but, at certain times at club level matches coaching may be a good thing. but not in this case.
Sam
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Is the trigger stop mentioned in the revolver forum legal for IDPA?
For those who have not seen it it is basically a roll pin drilled and driven into the back of the trigger, thus removing the pin inside the spring on the trigger return.
My 610 had a small "pinch" feeling in it today only once but I think it could have been the pin.
As the rules say action work is permissible as long as it stays safe.
My thinking is this would be legal as it is action work and we are working on reliability.
Any body else?
SAM
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Religious Shooter,
I have a Scout/squad rifle with a brake that springfield made while developing the brake for the new SOCOM.
I load mine with Winchester 147 grain bulk bullets from MIDWAY, and use an Aimpoint 3 minuted dot on the forward mount . off the bench this gun gives me sub 3 inch groups at 100 yds which with the 3 minute dot is as good as can be asked for.
I make major pf, about 330 and it is real soft and manageable(for me) but I am also .308 biased too.
If possible try out the new SOCOM it has a 3rd generation brake that when put on a real M14 and shot in full auto actually drives the muzzle down.
Good Luck, if you get the scout squad rifle or just the scout you will need to trim just a little off the front of the brake to make it limited leagle, now problem to do though.
Sam Keen
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Kurt,
Work ? what is that ?
My mother told me to not use four letter words !!!
All jokes aside It seams like they had 50+ shooters last year and Mike Sisk won the thing, I know it is the Arkansas Section Championship but we need to make the home boys work hard for the title this year.
Clay, Here we come !!!!
SAM
Cliff ended up second with a 78% 
and some fellow I know with a limp and no hair ended up 3rd with a 69% (only 9% between Cliff and I, that cuts 2 % off from last time we shot the same match) 
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Kingman,
As Jake and Rich said, "Talk to Val"
Aside from that just let them all go in and sooner than later it will straighten itself out, as far as matches go don't worry about where you are classified, shoot to the 99% of your ablities and then just let the dust settle where it falls.
Sounds like you are improving, Congrats on that keep up the good and hard work.
Hopalong.