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Piper,
For Info for Arkansas go to www.3gunmatches.com it may be 3gunmatch.com one or the other. there is also an entry form for AR there.
Hope to see you there.
Hopalong
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DMINOR,
Nothing special, just wondring how many shoot on Saturday?
See Ya'll there
Hopalong
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Bronco,
good to hear from you, My guess is that since most if not all ROs will be shooting SG excluded for the shoulder the best way to do that is request squadding with them.
I don't know if you read the post on the Online match I made to Tightloop about the rain but we are way above average over here, how is it in KS?
Late October is Corn time is it not?
If you are able to make it I look forward to seeing you there.
SAM
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Ok, Let me in on this.
but first, Hi Troy, Hi Jeff.
Jeff, is that the new rules as they are now written? If so I agree with you that if you "game" out a stage and try doubles and only get one or even worse, hit both targets but do not knock them down it is only 1 shot so 1 shot 2 targets = 1 miss & 1 FTE. This is shotgun and IMHO if you want to take that chance and don't hit the home run, too bad.
If not( rules written exactly like that) I am with Troy on this If you can get one pellet in a frangeable target while shooting at another (spreaders thank you) and not shoot the same number of shots as targets why not the same on falling steel?
Now here is the biggest thing we have to work on.... lets get this infront of the rules committee (Area Cooridnators included) and make a decision.
I don't like having a ton of rules to worry about no more than the next guy, but something like this will happen again constanly because of the nature of the beast (shotgun) so lets address it and go on.
Sam Keen
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OK here is what I can tell you that I know from Clay Binion
The Arkansas Section 3-gun (with some multi-gun stages planned) is October 30 and 31, 2004
Location is Fort Smith Arkansas at the Old Fort shooting Club (new berms and ranges with rifle range out to 600 yds)
Clay was one of my CROs for the MS 3-gun and told me that the Mississippi section was not about to outdo his on their first try. Clay is as good a stage designer as I know and I think it will be a 1st rate match.
He has told me that ROs will shoot with squads and stay with them through the match (florida squadding). that is how they shot the Race Gun Championships last year and it worked out really well. Besides after all I read about the ROs not having the range comands down, if you keep the same 2 or 3 all weekend the commands should all be the same.
I myself and 3 others from the Memphis area are planning to make the trip, I e-mailed Travis Tomasie and told him about it and he replied that they (army team) would try to make it if possible.
I know that 3-gun in USPSA is in its infancy and we are having growing problems but if it is going to make it we need to keep going to these things and make notes of what works and what doesn't and use it to the better.
Hope to see ya'll there.
Sam Keen
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I know it is early, but how about a squad list?
Thanks Arnie, Denise, Emanuel and all else who are at the time unknown
SAM
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for a guy that has only been doing this for 4 years and only the last 20 months or so pretty seriously, the biggest thing for me was the trusting what the sights were telling me, if I shot what I though was 2 A's go on, if I shot what I thought was a/c make the c up if points mattered much but don't look for bullet holes in the target (sure I did it too). When I quit looking for bullet holes and started trusting what I saw through the sight picture I went from 50% C class to A class in about 4 months.
Sam
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As an Automatic shooter converted to the "real"gun I originaly learned to shoot with the pad of the finger. But while learning to manipulate the longer trigger stroke and watching the sights while dry firing the least amount of movement occured while shooting almost at the first joint of the finger for me.
I have Jerry M. s video and noticed where he puts it( his finger ) and tried it, as with everything new it felt weird, and the sights made a very small but noticable circle around what I was aiming at. I don't know about ya'll but when I dry fire I pick our very small spots to aim at and watch the sights constantly.
If a person is having the problem of finger slip and preferrs the end of pad style a serrated trigger will not hurt a bit as also with the first joint style for the milled lines on the trigger will help keep the finger from rolling in and out of the trigger guard.
I think what we have to do is teach our finger to squeeze straight back on the trigger either way we try, once we do that then we can worry about the small stuff.
Good luck and keep the faith.
Sam Keen/hopalong
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As an Automatic shooter converted to the "real"gun I originaly learned to shoot with the pad of the finger. But while learning to manipulate the longer trigger stroke and watching the sights while dry firing the least amount of movement occured while shooting almost at the first joint of the finger for me.
I have Jerry M. s video and noticed where he puts it( his finger ) and tried it, as with everything new it felt weird, and the sights made a very small but noticable circle around what I was aiming at. I don't know about ya'll but when I dry fire I pick our very small spots to aim at and watch the sights constantly.
If a person is having the problem of finger slip and preferrs the end of pad style a serrated trigger will not hurt a bit as also with the first joint style for the milled lines on the trigger will help keep the finger from rolling in and out of the trigger guard.
I think what we have to do is teach our finger to squeeze straight back on the trigger either way we try, once we do that then we can worry about the small stuff.
Good luck and keep the faith.
Sam Keen/hopalong
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Cooter,
If you are shooting in Open or Limited you can just about gaurantee the match % will show up as aclassifier score, also if Emanuel has a classifier stage in the match it will too so there is a possibility of getting more than one.
Depending on the Number of GM/M that shoot is what makes a match go in as a classifier, and if the Match director checks the box on the Santcioned match/tournament application that says, results for classification.
Hope that answers your question.
and good luck as this is your first Area match, the biggest thing I can tell you is Have fun, be safe, if you have questions ask sombody even the ROs they are there to help and they are also shooters who care about the sport enough to donate their time.
Sam Keen
BDH do you know what stage you will be working?
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Neil,
I tried to use the double points for disapearing targets (flipped Clay/charcoal)
in the Mississippi 3-gun but our Fine scoring program no matter how we tried to go around it would not take it. (something else to fix in EZWinscore? or a new program?)
But that same reason you stated was the very reason I wanted to double the points
of those targets, to make the shooters shoot at them for the stage points.
Also, At the Ms 3-gun we had 5 stages, 1-12 round slug stage, 1- 23 round field course, 1 20 round( in 3 strings) standards that make it a tricky speed shoot, 1-8 round field course with targets worth double to increase match points and 1-13 round field course. in all this I had No/Zero complaints about tomany or not enough shotgun stages or shooting, as a matter of fact I got many comments about the shotgun shooting being emphasized over reloading. Help me out here KURT, how did you like it?
But as we all know, the rules are a test bed and IMOH so is the scoring program.
here is my suggestion on them. Keep EZWinscore for single gun matches, Find someone and I would think we have some good program writers to write a good usable scoring program especially for Multi-gun stages and/or matches.
Thanks for your time, and input with time and effort all this will get straightend up let's not get impatient.
Sam Keen
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Chuck -- I'm with you, on both counts
Dajarrel, thanks for the info, Hope you do good at GA state match, (saw your name on squad list)
Sam
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DAJARREL
how does it compare using 165,000 pf loads to the 686 using 357 magnum loads?
I have a 4 inch 610 I am using with Miculek grips on it and they make it better to handle with my short fingers. the 625 I double charged is at S&W and I should be getting news on it any day now, it is a 5 incher and I really like it but maybe a 5 inch 646?( if there is such an animal) or maybe the long 610 barrel on the 646?
I personally have no qualms about using the 4 inch gun in USPSA/ICORE the man I shoot with (open/Limited GM) has me shoot 50 yards at 12 inch plates at least every other week and 100 yds once a month so distance and the 4 inch sight radius is not a problem, I just would like a little more weight out on the end of the barrel to help on muzzle flip.
and for IDPA, sorry guys but 125,000 power factor? go get some Federal Hi-Shocks in 40 S&W and see what kind of power factor they make, IF IDPA wants to have their "game" close to what the real world is they would not even go there(PF)
It does make for a real soft shooting gun though.
and what about .45ACP in the 4 inch 625s how close is a factory load to 125,000 PF ? Ok now I will get off the soapbox.
Dajarrel, what revo do you use for USPSA/ICORE
Sam
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I got mine at a gun show, (1989) with hammer firing pin for 450 either one would be a buy not a steal but not high either.
Good luck.
Hopalong
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There are now 3 on there
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Roundgun shooter,
Tell me more.... I am verrrrrry interested......are they available, how much, how long of a wait period from order to receipt?
HELP !!!!!!!
I have not heard about this model, it looks like the cylinder is made of another material, are there barrel length options?
I have only concentrated on revolver shooting for the past 8 months but have come to really enjoy it, and esp when smoking the Bottom feeders
Sam
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Oh yeah, I forgot, and make it use Moon Clips
Hopalong
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after some thinking and wishing this is what I have come up with.
for a six shot revolver to use in either IPSC/USPSA/ICORE and IDPA
I would like to see Smith & Wesson come out with a L frame that shoots .40 S&W only. 5 or 6 inch barrel for IPSC/USPSA/ICORE and 4 for IDPA.
I have short fingers and the N frame felt "big" in my hands until I got a Miculek grip to use.
I also shoot .40 S&W in my limited gun so I could tailor a load to shoot in both and then not have to worry about any other stuff.
I have this theroy that if they use a L frame then the extra "meat" in the cylinder of the 610 won't be there so it will be like reloading a 625 but not having the "big" gun.
I know it is only hoping and wishing but anybody else have a "wish gun" ?
Sam Keen
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How about this?
In a multi gun stage, say 8 paper,(16 shots) 9 steel close with pistol and 12 frangible targets (shotgun).
rifle for the paper, pistol for the steel and shotgun.
Score like this.
rifle- whatever PF it makes
pistol and shotgun do not matter now that they are Hit/miss targets.
this now can be scores as a single gun in Winscore and for those who do stats can put it in the "rifle match" to make match percentage or put it in a 4th match for "combo stages" for its own match percentage.
it may take a little more thinking on the stage designers but the stages can be designed to use ezwinscore and use more than 1 gun but as far as the scoring program goes it thinks it is 1 gun.
I know what about stages with pistol and rifle both shooting paper, use the power factor of the gun that makes up the majority of the stage, tell your competitors that before hand, As on the match entry form so all will know, and they will either come shoot and live with it until someone reworks winscore or not show up to shoot. In my opinion the shooters want to shoot and if the scoring is the samd for all they dont give a ratts butt.
We did not have any Multi gun stages at the Misssissippi 3-gun just for this reason (scoring), but, boy did I want to have some.
Sam Keen
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Hey what about WSF?
I have been using it in .40 s&w for 3 years now, I use lead bullets to practice with and Jacketed for match use.
"Felt" recoil is very tolerable and even with lead cleanlyness is not an issue, I generally run 500 rounds through the limited gun between cleanings no matter what I am shooting.
With lead I use 5.4 grains of WSF commercial brass and winchester small pistol with an OAL of 1.185 in my Para-Ordnance P16-40 Limited these loads shoot better than I do and make 167,000 PF.
I can not remember the load for jacketed bullets for I don't load them near as often, I will have to consult my load list. Memory thinks it is about 6.3 or 6.2
I am getting low on my last 8 lb jug of WSF and will get 1 lb of WST and compare.
Good Luck
Hopalong
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CJL32 and Myself (HOPALONG) will be there Saturday
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Shot it this weekend in Memphis, got to see a guy shoot it with a HF of 8.6400
limited M Impressive. 6.?? 54 points.
I myself did some better and some worse, 58 points (better)
10.73 seconds (worse)
HF 5.4054Revolver B
any Ideas on where that lands ???
Hopalong
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Firewalker,
I might try and swing that but funds are tight going to A-3, A-5, TN section, AR section, MS section Factory gun Nationals, TN State IDPA MS State IDPA, man I am going to have to sit infront of the 650 for a while.
Hopalong
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Thanks for the update D.
I was informed today from the guy I am making the trip with that our entries are on the way so you should see them by the end of the week.
Hopalong, AKA Sam Keen
HF 5.4054
Tennessee Section Match
in Match Announcements - Pistol Only - USPSA, IPSC & Misc.
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I usually work the match and shoot Fridays but I think it is better this year for me to not take the time off work, ( taking a full week for nationals 2 weeks later)
I have seen Lynns stage, as usuall he has a very good one. looking forward to it.
Dajarrel, you shooting the revolver? Cliff Walsh said he will be there, John Jawar will as he always is, I am going to shoot the 610 as the 625 has not made it back from S&W yet. I might pull some strings with Lance and get a round gun squad.
See Ya'll there.
Sam Keen