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No action to report from USPSA at this time. There is a BoD meeting in Dec and there might be more info available after that meeting.
Alan
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Actually the first design the predates the 1911 had a grip safety and no thumb safety. The thumb safety was added at the request of the US Govt.
I will post a link in a few.
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The mags pictured are not the exact 38S/SC 9mm mags.
The 38Super/SuperComp mags have two ribs down each side like STI mags and the 9mm have an indentation like the SVI tubes.
If I can pick up my sample mags from the gunsmith this weekend I will post some pics.
Alan
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We have used them at North Mountain here in VA all year and they have been great
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So you would not have moved the cans from table to table either and taken the appropriate penalty(ies)
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I was at a level 1 match last weekend and the shooter ahead of me (single stack) got a procedural for using a magazine from his pocket instead of the one left in his mag pouch. I tried finding it in the rules, but no luck. Was this right?
Thanks.
USPSA Rule
5.2.4 During the course of fire, after the start signal, unless stipulated otherwise
in the stage procedure, spare ammunition, magazines and speed
loading devices shall be carried in retention devices attached to the
competitor’s belt and specifically designed for that purpose. A competitor
may also carry additional magazines or speed loading devices in
his pockets and retrieve and use them without penalty once having
dropped or exhausted his primary magazines.
edited to add emphasis
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while on the topic of larues, i'm curious how they are even legal rifle targets, given 4.3 and appendix B7. if i read that right, the dimensions of metal plates have to be between 8" and 12".
from the front page of the multigun rules date 30 Sept 09
Provisional Addendum to the
USPSA Rules, 2009 Edition
Multi-Gun Matches
Revised - Sep. 30. 2009
Change: MG 4.3.1, MG 4.3.1.5 MG 4.3.1.10, (allowing non-standard
metal targets).
MG 4.3 USPSA Approved Multi-Gun Targets - Metal
MG 4.3.1
Approved metal targets for use in USPSA Multi-Gun matches include
any metal target that provides an adequate method for the range officer and
competitor (at time of shooting) to determine hits or misses. Scoring metal
targets by listening for hits is not permitted.
MG 4.3.1.5
Scoring of metal targets will be per the Optional Enhanced Target
Values Supplement
MG 4.3.1.10
Self-indicating targets when used in a Multi-Gun COF, may be
engaged from multiple shooting locations as new targets. All types of metal
targets may be used as scoring targets or no-shoots.
Hope that helps
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Put slightly differently...
What was that?:
stating the obvious
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Btw, was this the first time a division at the multigun Nationals, other than HM, was won with a Major rifle?
Which Division was won with a rifle making major power factor?
From what I can tell looking at the results D. Horner did not get any additional penalties, which would lead one to believe that he was shooting Major PF in rifle.
A few years back the 3gun Nationals was won by a shooter with a FN/FAL in .260. I think that was the last time a Majpr PF rifle was used by the winner.
Alan
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Btw, was this the first time a division at the multigun Nationals, other than HM, was won with a Major rifle?
Which Division was won with a rifle making major power factor?
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muscle memory
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The B-Zone is there for the same reasons the C/D zones are. The thought process was a peripheral hit on the target would not be as devastating as a center of mass hit.
As far as the naming of the Metric target, if you research the first draft of the IPSC rules that were posted here, the target was referred as the metric target since the beginning of the IPSC rules. Prior to that there were a number of variations of targets used.
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What is interesting is the original post is 2 years old
Early happy hour, perhaps?
Who's buying?
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What is interesting is the original post is 2 years old
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The pdf is in a super secret location.........
Umm, you mean like post #25 of this thread?
I can neither confirm nor deny
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The pdf is in a super secret location.........
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This is the pdf file contents for the USPSA PROVISIONAL Single Stack Division rules
DISCLAIMER: But as these were the provisional rule set, the current USPSA Rules dated 2008 are the proper rules and the 2008 Rule book supercedes previous rules.
Alan
Purpose:
This Provisional Division is intended to provide a vehicle to increase membership and
draw unrealized activity from other shooting sports. It is also intended to provide a
vehicle to draw unrealized marketing and sponsorship activity from producers of 1911
style pistols.
Classifications: Individuals who chose to participate in the provisional division will be
assigned their highest classification on record. No classifier data will be input into the
classification system at this time.
Database: There will be no entry into the USPSA database, but the scores will be
archived on the USPSA website for future use if needed. Scores will not be displayed
with a member’s classification record.
Mission Count: Clubs or Tournaments will pay activity fees to USPSA for all shooters in
the provisional division.
Tournaments wishing to include the provisional division will submit their request for
current classifier data to USPSA with a notation of “1911 Single Stack Division” which
will result in the highest classification on record being reported.
Evaluation criteria will be set at 10-12 percent of the total scores entered from matches
offering the provisional division.
EZ WinScore will be modified to include the 1911 Single Stack Division for reporting
purposes, but to not allow entry into the USPSA database.
Marketing: Marketing of the provisional 1911 Single Stack Division will open possible
revenue streams to the Front Sight magazine and our tournament prize tables.
Implementation: The Provisional 1911 Single Stack Division will be implemented on
January 1, 2006.
Definition:
This Provisional Division is designed around the 1911 Government Model designed by
John M. Browning and adopted by the U.S. Government as the standard service pistol.
The Government Model was adopted as a 5 inch barrel gun. However within certain
limitations shorter barrel 1911 model pistols are also allowed. It is also recognized that
the basic 1911 has evolved over the ensuing years into an improved version. Those
improvements will be recognized, as long as they do not detract from the basic premise of
the pistol. An example would be an external extractor as opposed to an internal extractor.
All internal safety feature improvements that do not create a competitive advantage, shall
be permissible. Examples are but not limited to, series 80 firing pin blocks, “National
Match” style grip activated firing pin block, and key lock safety features in mainsprings
or other places.
Pistols:
1911 production type pistols only, no comps, barrel weights, barrel ports, optics, or any
kind of electronic sighting device.
Pistols in this provisional division must be available to the general public and have their
basis in the original 1911 service pistol. Pistols made from components that duplicate the
factory originals are also acceptable.
Pistols produced with attachment points for external lights or optics are not permitted.
No coned barrels or barrels with flanges will be allowed, except in 1911 compact pistols
with a barrel length of 4.2 inches or less.
Slides will be in factory configuration or within the specified list of allowed
modifications.
Frames shall be of steel or other metallic alloy, plastic frames are not allowed.
The pistol with empty magazine and any attached base pad, when inserted in the gun,
must fit in the standard IPSC box as presented in the current edition of the USPSA rule
book.
Magazines in this division must be of standard length, excluding base pads. No extended
magazines may be used. No modifications may be made to base pads to increase
magazine capacity.
Holsters, and magazine pouches.
Competition holsters of the race gun type specifically not allowed. For clarification, all
retention features of the holster must be used. All holsters must fully cover the trigger
when the pistol is holstered. The front of the holster may be cut no lower than ¼ inch
below the ejection port.
Magazine pouches should be designed for continuous daily carry and should be
reasonably concealable.
Holsters and magazine pouches shall be worn in accordance with the diagram illustrated
in Appendix F3 in the current edition of the USPSA rulebook.
Rule 5.2.3.1 does not apply.
Power Factor
Minimum bullet caliber/cartridge case length: 9mm (.354”) 19mm (0.784”)
Minimum bullet caliber for major power factor 10mm (.400”)
Maximum Magazine Capacity at start signal:
Major power factor 8
Minor power factor 10
All magazine capacities do not include an additional round loaded in the chamber.
Permitted modifications:
1. Sights of a post and notch type, including fiber optic front sights (milling of slide
related to installation of sights is permitted)
2. Grips (no weighted grips allowed)
3. Internal accuracy work (includes replacement of the barrel with one of factory
configuration, the use of Accu-Rails, the use of Spherical Bushings).
4. Internal reliability work
5. Checker front strap and back strap
6. Checker or square and checker trigger guard
7. Cosmetic checkering/serrating and flat topping of slide to include cocking
serrations.
8. Extended thumb safety (may be ambidextrous) and Beavertail grip safeties
9. Extended magazine release
10. Full length guide rods manufactured of material that is no heavier than common
steel.
11. Hammer and other trigger action parts to enhance trigger pull, including over
travel stops
12. Beveled magazine well and add-on well extensions
13. Custom finishes
Excluded Modifications or features:
1. Full length dust covers of carbon or stainless steel
2. Slide lightening. (Removal of metal from the slide is permitted for the following:
front and rear sights, front and rear cocking serrations, and flat topping and
serration of the slide.)
US APPENDIX D11
Provisional Single-Stack Division
1 Minimum power factor for Major 165
2 Minimum power factor for Minor 125
3 Minimum bullet weight No
4 Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length 9mm (0.354”) / 19mm (0.748”)
5 Minimum bullet caliber for Major 10mm (0.40”)
6 Minimum trigger pull (see Appendix F2) No
7 Maximum handgun size Yes. See # 20 below
8 Maximum magazine length See # 20 and # 24 below
9 Maximum ammunition capacity
(Does not include a chambered round)
Yes. Maximum after the start signal:
Major Power Factor - 8 rounds
Minor Power Factor - 10 rounds
10 Maximum distance of handgun and magazines from torso 50mm
11 Rule 5.2.3.1 applies No
12 Restriction on position of holster and other equipment Yes, see #21 below
13 Optical/electronic sights permitted No
14 Compensators permitted No
15 Ports permitted No
Special conditions:
16. Only 1911 production type pistols. Must be available to the general public and have their basis in
the original 1911 service pistol. Pistols made from components that duplicate the factory originals
are acceptable. Factory upgrades such as external extractors, firing pin blocks and other factory
installed safety features are permitted.
17. Coned barrels or barrels with flanges are prohibited, except in 1911 compact pistols with a barrel
length of 4.2 inches or less.
18. Slides will be in factory configuration or within the specified list of allowed modifications.
19. Frames shall be of steel or other metallic alloy, plastic frames are not allowed.
20. A handgun in its ready condition (See Section 8.1), but unloaded and with an empty magazine
inserted, must fit wholly within the confines of a box which has internal dimensions of 225mm x
150mm x 45mm (tolerance of +1mm, -0mm). Note that all magazines must comply, failing which
Rule 6.2.5.1 will apply.
21. Neither the handgun, nor any of its attachments, nor any allied equipment (e.g. magazines or other
loading devices), can extend forward of the line illustrated in Appendix F3. Any such items a Range
Officer deems not to be in compliance must be safely and promptly adjusted, failing which Rule
6.2.5.1 will apply.
22. Competition holsters of the race gun type specifically not allowed. All retention features of the
holster must be used. The upper front of the holster may not be lower than ¼ inch below the
ejection port.
23. Magazine pouches should be designed for continuous daily carry and should be reasonably
concealable.
24. Magazines must be of standard length, excluding basepads. Extended magazines and/or
modifications to basepads to increase magazine capacity are prohibited.
Permitted modifications:
14. Sights of a post and notch type, including fiber optic front sights (milling of slide related to
installation of sights is permitted).
15. Grips (weighted grips not allowed).
16. Internal accuracy work (includes replacement of the barrel with one of factory configuration, the
use of Accu-Rails, the use of Spherical Bushings).
17. Internal reliability work.
18. Checker front strap and back strap.
19. Checker or square and checker trigger guard.
20. Cosmetic checkering/serrating and flat topping of slide to include cocking serrations.
21. Extended thumb safety (may be ambidextrous) and beavertail grip safety.
22. Extended magazine release.
23. Full-length guide rods manufactured of material that is no heavier than common steel.
24. Hammer and other trigger action parts to enhance trigger pull, including over travel stops.
25. Beveled magazine well and add-on well extensions.
26. Custom finishes.
Prohibited Modifications or features:
3. Full length dust covers of carbon or stainless steel.
4. Slide lightening. (Removal of metal from the slide is permitted only for the following: front and
rear sights, front and rear cocking serrations, and flat topping and serration of the slide)
5. External modifications such as weights or devices to control or reduce recoil.
6. Pistols produced with attachment points for external lights or optics.
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What should a shooter with a lapsed membership sign up as for local matches? X or there last classification.
Unclassified, until they renew their membership
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From the what I was told years ago files from someone that was there with their dad in the early days, Irv Stone.
Power factor was initially divided between the 9mm/38Special and calibers that begin with a 4, (.44special/magnum .45acp)
the 9mm/38Special was minor and the .44/.45s were major.
The gamers at the time were downloading their .45s, and using 7lb springs, to velocities where you could literally watch the slide cycle.
The venerable Jeff Cooper decided that to establish the numbers for power factor, the ammo had to meet the performance (momentum) of Military ball ammo as fired out of a 1911 commander.
That was what I was told, years ago.
Alan
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I've got a friend who built a Caspian Hi-Cap for his son as an open gun and he uses STI mags. And mine work in his gun too. My big stick is the only one that won't work in his gun.
I would like to see pics.
the Caspian Hi-Cap uses a narrower mag than the S_I frames
Alan
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Hmm... I must have gotten lucky. I have 2 caspians that run and run and run. Had them both rebareled from 38sc to 9mm major. Never had to touch the mags... I agree though they aren't pretty. I keep hoping they do for the 9/38 super mags what they have done for the 40 mags (which are very nice).
call Gary, he has the ACT manufactured mags for the Caspian Hi-CAp with the cool basepad.
Alan
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First Car was a 55 olds 88 4door.
First Car bought 1969 Chevelle Malibu 350ci/300hp Great car until some drunk rear ended it while it was parked in front of the house.
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thanks everyone, i cant seem to find it on caspians website and on the dealers forums as well
You need to call Caspian as it is not on their website.
802.472.6454
Alan
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Weighing the risk/reward potential to get the best possible outcome for yourself
Caspian Mag Basepad Comparison
in The Gallery
Posted
Here is a comparison of the two different style of basepads for the Caspain Hi-Cap mags being made by ACT.
The short pad might need a little trimming to fit the IPSC Box for Std Division. I know with the rear sight I have the Gun with mag does not fit the ISPC Box I have made.