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The club at which I used to shoot in northwest Dallas had a policy of No-MD, No Match approach. In short, a calendar of matches is accessible online and people had to volunteer to MD; I would go a step further with the No-MD, No-volunteers then No Match method. All with three days in advance.
Just a suggestion, but maybe it is time to "surcharge" the shooters of the day of the competitions to pay the people that are willing to give their time and/or hire part time people to help in setting up and taking down the course.
My suggestion would be a charge of $10/shooter, by your numbers that would equate to $700+/ per day. Split 2-4 ways, that is a handsome pay for the few that could easily do the job. The total day is what 4-6 hours for the normal shooting day?
Another twist to the problem could be: suggest/offer the positions to the local high school students, this would help 2 fold, Getting younger people involved in the sport and some money to teach them the ropes and show the good side of our sport, rather than the doom and gloom. And 2nd to further participation, a % of the money to go into a fund to help these kids pay for equipment if they want to become more involved.
I would think the more that would be introduced, the easier it would get people to get involved as well as helping with a short term problem of current burn out by the current members.
Screw that.......... Make the "I want to be a deadbeat consumer shooter" Fee and additional $50 on top of the normal match fee. That is the only way to force the "Consumers" into being "Volunteers". If you make the fee only $10 then everyone would simply pay an additional ten bucks to be a complete lazy ass and expect everyone else to cater to them.
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yup...USPSA/IPSC and many of its experienced/known members leave much to be desired. This is unfortunate as the game itself is quite exhilarating. Myopic and parochial views are quite abundant.
This coupled with the good luck finding help at matches posts make me believe this is both accepted and widespread. Im just about done with this "sport".All I know is that some of the supporters comments have made me question the integrity of the supporters
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JGus...in general, your observation is correct. The issue is not the manufacture or sale of the Accu-Shadow and Shadow. It has to do with how USPSA gun-approval process and how those guns are sold/cataloged as separate models.
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Yup...at least Tanfoglio made an effort to bring Grauffel's Xtreme parts under its umbrella. As far as I know, CZC is just a third-party vendor.
Didn't realize CZC is a "factory"?
Same here, these guns are imports made in an overseas factory they arrive here in stock form then a custom shop alters the slide and ads an external mod with an aftermarket part changing the original design and somehow this is legal...Its to bad that you now need a high dollar custom shop gun to be competitive in production division...
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I think the start position should be the index finger of both hands must touch competitor's nose -- anywhere of it.
p.s. No shoot-through(s) at Level 2 and higher.
I think 'arms relaxed at sides' should be dropped and the default start position should be 'wrists above respective shoulders' like Steel Challenge. It's easier to enforce as there's less interpretation involved.
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Grumpy...well stated.
I'm the one who initially mentioned the "...arms hanging naturally" snippet, so I'll amplify the reason why I did so. Notwithstanding each person's unique physical make-up, there is a "natural" state of how arms hang by the sides -- thus, some latitude should be given. However, many competitors grossly abuse that latitude. The reason I even brought up this subject was that although this is just a minor, perhaps insignificant, infraction, one's character can be meaningfully observed. If one is willing to take a gross short-cut, then everything else is just a slippery slope.
Having been a collegiate athlete and still play other competitive sports, I've seen a full spectrum of behaviors -- I'm sure many of you have, as well. It's just that what I've seen in this shooting sport thus far, much of it is pretty obvious and blatant -- much of it are committed by well-know GMs. I've gone as far as advising a few young, junior shooters to limit their exposure to these GMs. They can shoot, no doubt about it, but they are horrible examples to others.
Yes sir! Like that girl being a little bit pregnant....then there are those that cheat unknowingly...like the holster that puts the gun 2.125" from the inner belt...they may have taken the manufacturers word that it was legal...but even if it were 2.00001", it would still be illegal, and as such, cheating....but does it provide a "real" advantage? Probably not...but that doesn't matter....
Which is why I specifically said they were "comparatively minor". But they are still cheating
I think there is a vast difference between someone creeping their start position or someone using franken gun in production (which most emulates other legal guns in production anyway) and RO's cheating.Look at any picture of the nationals with the illegal start positions. The Prez is the MD I believe? And DNROI is the RM? You honestly think some people don't have special chrono ammo stashed away in their bags? You don't think there are paper GM's who have shot a classifier over and over until they hit the magic number? You don't think there is a stats guy who submitted that score? You don't think people are mixing and matching frames with slides and shooting Production with them?
These are comparatively minor but I think anyone with any curiosity at all can find them going on.
Obviously the current alledged cheating scandal appears to have been going on for years so that in itself means there has been some level of cheating going on regularly.
Think of car racing, every mechanic tries very hard to squeeze ever adventage he can for his team out of his equipment, maybe some would call that gaming some would call it cheating, but it isn't as if the someone is changing the final times.
I think EVERY sporting event is going to have the competitors push the bounds of the rules because that happens when you have a bunch of alpha types wanting to measure up to each others and the results can be decided by a couple of inches on single target or half a second on the clock. It is the job of the officials to keep that under control, and sometimes the official do a good job and sometimes they don't.
However there is a GIANT difference between sport official incompetence or inattention in the face of competitor cheating and intentional cheating the official themselves. This is why this is such a large issue, not because someone slight of handed their powder puff load for the major ammo in a baggie. -
Good catch, Philo. I had only remembered the OFM part.
Then, here is a question: Is the bushing considered a part of the slide? If so, then the slide length of Accu would be different than that of the regular Shadow.
Is an after-market slide allowed? I don't think so.
The 75 SP-01 Shadow is the model of firearm. The 75 SP-01 Accu-Shadow is another model of firearm.
Therefore, you can't change the slide of one model of shadow to another model of shadow. I might even see the bushing being called out as not the same contour.21.3
After-market slides and barrels – provided they are the same length, con- tour and caliber as original factory standard.
SLIDES: Current rules remain in effect – You may replace the slide with an OFM or aftermarket slide which is of the same length, contour and caliber as the original slide for that model of gun.
If CZC and CZ-USA would stop changing model names every time they change a feature or even rear sight..
Why could I not put a CZ 75 shadow slide on a CZ Sp-01 shadow frame? The only difference is the markings (which an allowable aftermarket slide would have different markings), the length, contour, and caliber are the same.
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Nicely put. Unfortunately, I also think cheating is quite common. Hell, people can't even let their arms hang naturally at sides.
Cheating in USPSA has been going on since I started. I could tell you many other stories like this, even on the local level for nothing but placement on results.
I guess I am old school. When a man has no honor, integrity or his word doesn't count, then he has nothing.
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Is an after-market slide allowed? I don't think so.
The 75 SP-01 Shadow is the model of firearm. The 75 SP-01 Accu-Shadow is another model of firearm.
Therefore, you can't change the slide of one model of shadow to another model of shadow. I might even see the bushing being called out as not the same contour.
21.3
After-market slides and barrels – provided they are the same length, con- tour and caliber as original factory standard.
SLIDES: Current rules remain in effect – You may replace the slide with an OFM or aftermarket slide which is of the same length, contour and caliber as the original slide for that model of gun.
If CZC and CZ-USA would stop changing model names every time they change a feature or even rear sight..
Why could I not put a CZ 75 shadow slide on a CZ Sp-01 shadow frame? The only difference is the markings (which an allowable aftermarket slide would have different markings), the length, contour, and caliber are the same.
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Smart ass. I combined the two to minimize keystrokes. Now look what you did...made me type more. LOL
I see you guys have upped the challenge by shooting at 100 yards/meters. Nice work.
100 meters is two feet shy of 110 yards
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I see you guys have upped the challenge by shooting at 100 yards/meters. Nice work.
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That's cool. Context may be difficult for many.
I should have been more clear. Sarcasm YO.
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Xtreme is having a 5%-off and $5-shipping sale.
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Didn't realize CZC is a "factory"?
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X-Calibur probably won't be available here in the US for another 10 weeks or so, per Grand Power.
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Nicely written....the asking price of S2/CZ is getting ridiculous. Though, if people are willing to pay, then the price is fair.
It really comes down to what you like.
The stock II has a lot going for it but so does the Glock 34.
Stock II Pros/cons and features
*Heavy. As a result, there is very little felt recoil in the hand
*Pig nose. There is alot of weight out front which some people like and some people dont. Due to all of the muzzle weight you get less muzzle climb with LESS grip effort. The guns track the same IF you're able to grip the Glock nice and hard. The Stock II requires LESS effort to shoot well because of its weight.
*Decent DA trigger, very good SA trigger. Most people love the light SA triggers because they can slap the shit out of them.
*Huge magwell
*Very reliable once you get the trigger situation sorted out
*Readily available mags at decent prices
*HIGH price of entry and availability is terrible
*Spare parts situation blows donkey balls. For Tanfoglio parts you need to go to EAA and they're pretty terrible.
Glock Pros/Cons and features
*Great cost of entry. They're everywhere, they're affordable and they're pretty much always going to be at your local gunstore.
*Excellent recoil impulse provided you can grip the gun adequately. With the proper load and the proper recoil spring the guns shoot like pussy cats but DO require a firmer grip.
*Spare parts are beyond plentiful.
*Magazines are beyond cheap and are also plentiful.
*The lighter weight of the gun allows easier transitions and FEELS good.
*The grip is fantastic IF you dont mind the grip angle.
*The pistols are about as durable and reliable as a pistol gets.
*The triggers are workable and there are a ton of options for these guns.
*A multitude of sight options are available.
For ME, i prefer a lighter gun as it makes transitioning easier and i find that the added weight of the pistol itself does little improve my match scores. If i was going to sit in one place and run bill drills all day i would absolutely love and adore a stock II but the reality is, my game sucks. I need to improve on my stage planning, my target transitions and moving with the gun. The lighter gun gives me confidence to do this.
To each their own.
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How funny...a grammar/legal wrangling on Enos. LOL
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Exactly. In this particular situation, I side with IPSC, which has more stringent rules and does not recognize CZ-USA or CZC as original manufacturer. One is a distributor and the other a custom shop.
Let me see if I understand this...
CZ Custom takes regular Shadows, does some machining and adds a part(s) and issues them as Accu-Shadows.
So in the eyes of USPSA, CZ Custom is a "manufacturer" or at the very least a "recognized" part of the process of final manufacturing for CZ.
The only difference is where the original/stock Shadow comes from. The original stock Shadow could come from CZUSA or if I send them my Shadow they could in effect "re-issue" my pistol as an Accu-Shadow as they are in fact the "manufacturer" of the Accu-Shadow.
Hmmm. Logic. Better not go there
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Registration shows Friday Squads as the only options.
Anyone know if there are spots left at this match?
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Extended firing pin is ~2.49" to 2.50".
Regular firing pin is ~2.46" to 2.47".
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Here you go. The "Michael Jackson" position.
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Glad someone properly cited and not "sited" the rules. haha
After review of the rule book it looks like it would even be legal (after the start signal) to hold a magazine in your off hand during a strong hand or weak hand only stage even though you would not benefit from it since you are never required to reload after going strong or weak hand only.
10.2.8 If a course of fire stipulates shooting strong or weak hand only, a competitor will not be penalized for using the other hand (i.e. the other arm from the shoulder to the hand) to disengage an external safety, to reload or to correct a malfunction. However, the competitor will be issued one procedural penalty per shot fired while:10.2.8.1 Touching the handgun with the other hand while firing shots;10.2.8.2 Using the other hand to support the handgun, wrist or shooting arm while firing shots;10.2.8.3 Using the other hand on a barricade or another prop to increasestability while firing shots. -
David at CGW always comes through, always.
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Why pay and shoot a match for plaque? It'd be cheaper to just buy a plaque and skip the match. LOL
RO Suspected of Cheating in USPSA Matches
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I thought many of the comments made on A6 FB page and elsewhere on FB were melodramatic, if not inappropriate -- they were certainly hyperbolical. That said, as many have mentioned here, HQ's public communication has been inadequate. Not sure where the USPSA leadership acquired their management skills, but there certainly are more logical, effective methods to handle the situation that would have ameliorated membership concerns.