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1 hour ago, HighSpeedFocusedFailure said:

Doesn’t really matter what the email says. I looked at the website while purchasing not that email. 
 

If the display is not the greatest thing ever, as the site proclaimed it to be, no love lost on my end I will flip it and be on to the next.

By the way, which site is that? Could you share a link with that claim?

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2 hours ago, Rich406 said:

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I know how cameras don’t film the same way our eyes see. But the video is a good approximation of the problem. As soon as there is sunlight, the display is unusable. Square to the sun, 30 degree angle, it sucks no matter what. 

 

For that video to be a good approximation, the frame rate of your camera has to be at least 2x of the timer's screen refresh ratio. They have special math about that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist–Shannon_sampling_theorem#Application_to_multivariable_signals_and_images

You need to capture video with a high fps camera to get a some approximation.

On the other hand, your own video does show the actual brightness of the screen. These yellow dots on screenshot taken from your video are good representation how bare eye see the screen. It matches with my own observations and like I said, I personally don't find that brightness unacceptable.

 

2 hours ago, Rich406 said:

let’s also not forget that a lot of people that use the timer clip it to their belt or pocket while using it. Which makes it extra aggravating trying to twist around and look at the screen. The timer is a tool. It should convey quick and precise info to the user. The LCD version does this, the oled version does not. Simple as that. 

From the personal range experience. The fun part about using belt clip is that I always use my hand to tilt the timer up when I need to look at the screen. And the hand naturally is working as a shield to screen the sun light...

Admittedly, during my own practice, I rarely need to look at the screen, as I get time spoken to me by the connected PractiScore Log app running on my phone.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Rich406 said:

Maybe so, but you aren’t even acknowledging that there is a problem and you seem to be taking it slightly personal.

 

What exactly was personal in my responses? Yours on the other hand...

I don't see what I need to acknowledge. I haven't sold you that timer and I don't even make timers. As a user of that same timer I don't see a show stopper issues, not at the scale you describing it.

 

15 minutes ago, Rich406 said:

With or without sunglasses in sunlight the screen ranges from pure black to extremely faded. In both cases its unreadable. 
 

maybe I have a bad screen, maybe you have a different batch of screens, who knows. All I can say is the timer I have is unusable in sunlight.
 

did you watch my video? That is exactly what I see when I’m trying to use it. Nothing. 

For the most part, your video shows your camera's sweep line inference over timer's screen sweep line. That is why the video shows it a blinking. Cool demo, kind of similar to moiré pattern.

The human eye doesn't work that way, so looking at the timer not through another digital camera I see pretty much static image.

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12 minutes ago, Rich406 said:

You are awful presumptuous that I’m not doing those things already. You’re acting like I’m insulting practiscore or something….

 

I'm not into labelling people and if you don't find my suggestions useful you can always find your own way or sell the timer and find another one you like.

 

It also has nothing to do with PractiScore and I am also not looking over your shoulder, as you aren't exactly telling what you are doing. I simply wen't outside into the bright sun and looked at the timer's screen. Don't really see what is all the fuss about, as it looked acceptable to me - with and without sun glasses.

Yes, the screen look dark if I look at it at about 30 degree angle or have it horizontal flat towards the sun. But I also don't see why should I look at it that way.

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29 minutes ago, Rich406 said:

...He stated directly he doesn’t recommend the timer for use in direct sunlight. 

the timer I received, the screen is almost completely black under sunlight. I don’t use polarized lenses.

I don't see any recommendations in the quoted email. It simply describes how the screen tech works.
And yet again, tilt timer's screen away from the direct sun light...

Also, if you are wearing any sun shade glasses - there is 90..99% chance they are polarized. An easy test is to rotate screen by 90 degrees clock or counter clock wise and see if brightness changes.

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On 7/23/2023 at 9:53 PM, HighSpeedFocusedFailure said:

Is this for real?!?! Because the site makes the OLeD out to be the greatest thing ever and if it doesn’t work in bright sun it’s practically fackin worthless to me. I’m in the Mojave desert man. 

That is not what the email says...

Any OLED screen look different in a bright sun light. I can see it fine in my regular polarized sun glasses (a bit dimmer comparing to non-polarized glasses). But not all polarized glasses are the same (turn them 90 degrees on any tablet or phone LED/OLED screen and you'll see).

The visibility is also changes a lot whether you have it turned to the sun light or away from it. And it is not too hard to tilt timer screen away from the direct sun light.

[Shot Timer- CED7000 or AMG Labs?]

4 hours ago, Duster said:

...Hopefully another company will step up with a reliable Practiscore Timer.

They been trying, but I yet to see one as reliable and simple as AMG.

[Shot Timer- CED7000 or AMG Labs?]

21 hours ago, FTP_Shooting_Sports said:

...it transmits all the shots and splits to my phone for easy reviews. The video overylay feature is great and displays your shot splits, times etc. on your videos...

Just for the record. None of that is unique to that timer. You have it pretty much with all Bluetooth-enabled timers.

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2 hours ago, JM_ said:

3 is a pile? I should say 2 and a half because one of the the timers that works doesn’t have any screen. It’s either AMG or the CE pro timer BT.  Don’t like the pro timer? Wait a year for the AMG. Don’t like the AMG? Buy a dated brick for a timer.

Which one is #3?
For matches - only two aren't supported as far as I know. And one of them still working on their own chores.
For practice - that one is the only timer that isn't supported yet.

[AMG Timers - Extended Shipping Times?]

4 hours ago, JM_ said:

The real problem here is that practiscore isn’t adding any new timers to the Bluetooth list till their new v2 update which seems like it won’t be out for a while. 

How is that a real problem? You sound as if there is a pile of timers that aren't being integrated into PractiScore... 

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12 hours ago, Hoops said:

Can’t tell you how many times this comes up.  What’s worse is someone saying congratulations on me taking first place……..with my RFRO.  
 

Maybe Practiscore could review this?

With Combined results not counting for any scores there isn't really anything for PractiScore to review. You don't have to look at these results if they have no meaning to you. Though there are competitors in SC who are running the same gun in multiple divisions or jut want to look at the absolute times.

BTW, the PractiScore Competitor app has an option to show by-peak-times ranking similar to @jrdoran report for any SC match AND it also allows to select divisions you want to include in "Combined" results.

[Practiscore to Excel Format?]

40 minutes ago, Hoops said:

Regardless of division or classification, the current Practiscore match results under combined is based on time only with 1st place the lowest time and last place the highest time.  The percentages shown by each shooter is just straight math off the 1st place 100%.  No problem here.

 

As long as you accept that "combined" results have no real meaning for any official standing. It is there mainly for information purposes and is used by some people to assess their performance regardless of division.

 

40 minutes ago, Hoops said:

For me only, I wanted to track my performance by stage and overall by match.  I may place high in a match, depending on who shows up and what divisions are in the mix, but how did I shoot within my classification?  My trends over several matches?  So I asked if a person could convert matches from the Practiscore program into an Excel spreadsheet?

 

You can copy reports into Excel, though for tracking your own performance there isn't that much data from any given match to enter manually.

The PractiScore Competitor app could help to take some burden of that manual data entry and it also show some info you may not find in the regular results. For example the % of the Peak Times for an SC stage or Time/Split charts if match used one of the Bluetooth timers to capture all the shots. It also could help to tack history of your runs across matches. See section (5) on the "Stage Info" screen and read more at https://community.practiscore.com/t/stage-info-screen-in-practiscore-competitor-app/610

 

 

 

 

40 minutes ago, Hoops said:

The idea of leagues was subsequently brought up with the winner being who shot the best percentage against their Peak Times.  For example,   I could shoot mediocre in RFRO and beat a CO shooter that shot much better than me against our relative Peak Times.

 

Theoretically that could be added to the series support in the PractiScore scoring app. Though general interest in that is rather negligible in regards to any "official" standings (see the point above about "combined" not being official). In other words - every division competes independently.

 

40 minutes ago, Hoops said:

It was suggested that that there is an app that would calculate this type match results by importing specific match data from or within Practiscore.  I don’t know.
 

That’s about where I am now….being clueless of how Practiscore and/or apps work.

 

I can't say anything about apps "that would calculate this type match results by importing specific match data from or within Practiscore" and still not sure what "Practiscore" you are referring to.

But some of the reports that been discussed above can be produced directly by either in the PractiScore scoring app, or in the Competitor app. And that removes some of the manual pre-processing of data you'd  copy-paste from the overall match results posted on the PraciScore website. But of course not the arbitrary normalization of the match times.
 

 

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40 minutes ago, Hoops said:

Is this something a MD would do or can any shooter do this within Practiscore?

 

What exactly are you referring here? The PractiScore website? The PractiScore scoring app? Or something else?

There are tools meant to be used by MDs, in order to run, score and post the match results. For example, the PractiScore scoring app.

There are also several tools for competitors. The PractiScore website section with the match results is one of such tools available for free.

There is also one-time paid app for iOS and Android called PractiScore Competitor that helps to keep track and analyze any match results. See more at https://community.practiscore.com/c/tools/competitor/14

Generally I won't advise it, but if you know how to run Android apps from Google Play on your desktop PC. Also can run the iOS app on an Apple computer with M1/M2 CPU.

 

40 minutes ago, Hoops said:

It sorts the match results based on performance rather than raw total time?

 

For SCSA and any other TimePlus-based scoring, the total time (plus all penalty times) is THE performance that is being measured. The percentage that you may see in some of the reports that PractiScore scoring app or PractiScore Competitor app are generating is mainly for illustrative purpose to show roughly how far your total time from the division winner is.

But PractiScore Competitor app has more options for viewing or filtering results (and also works offline). You can combine arbitrary divisions, view results normalized to SCSA Peak Times and also see % of the SC Peak Times in each stage run.

 

You can also keep track of your SC or USPSA classifier stage runs over time. Admittedly I could improve the visual representation of that (maybe add chart, etc)
See https://community.practiscore.com/t/stage-info-screen-in-practiscore-competitor-app/610

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3 hours ago, Hoops said:

Practiscore will usually place me from 1st to 5th with RFRO based on raw time.   I’ve always felt this presentation was flawed and doesn’t represent the best performance in the match.  Is my performance of being M class but shooting a mid A level better than a CO shooter hitting his/her classification?  I personally don’t think so.

Not sure what you referring to here. In a regular results the percentage is simply your performance relative to the match winner. Either in the division or in combined results - all using the absolute overall time.

For SCSA matches the PractiScore Competitor app has an option to rank shooters (and calculate the overall percentages) based on their performance relative to the SCSA Peak Times. You can use that to rank competitors across divisions and see who exceeded their performance at a given match. That view can be also exported into report similar to what you see on the PractiScore website and then use for copy-paste.

Unfortunately this approach does not work for USPSA or other HF-scored matches, as there is no real baseline.
 

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On 5/9/2023 at 9:21 AM, jrdoran said:

We've been bantering in our club the idea of forming teams and aggregating scores and then comparing how teams did.  Sort of like a bowling league.

You don't really need to do that in Excel. You can register your teams in the individual matches (even after the match is completed) and then use the PractiScore scoring app for Android to combine your matches into a series/league (it is also can be done incrementally as matches are completed). That will give you the team results in these series.

See some more details at https://community.practiscore.com/t/scoring-tournament-club-league-or-match-series-in-practiscore-app-for-android/206

[Timer Questions & Advice]

3 hours ago, CHA-LEE said:

Is the Kestrel Timer supported with Practiscore Blue Tooth time syncing?

 

Not yet. And see https://community.practiscore.com/t/looking-for-an-update-on-when-the-new-timers-on-the-market-will-be-approved-to-allow-direct-input-of-info-through-bluetooth/9764

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17 hours ago, OldRunner said:

@euxx thx for the new comparo shot & clearly I was mistaken on the display size of the AMG vs. the PP. Your 1st pic. shows yellow numerals in the AMG display & clw42 also mentions a new display w/ the AMG, can you provide any details?

There are two AMG timer models. See https://www.amg-lab.com/collections/all

As far as I know, the battery life for OLED model is only slightly less comparing to LCD one. I've changed batteries in LCD after a year or moderate use, but I don't have specific numbers for the OLED one.

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13 hours ago, OldRunner said:

@euxx TY for that pic, my current CE Pro Timer looks massive compared to the AMG.

 

Somehow Kestrel feels even more massive than CE...

 

13 hours ago, OldRunner said:

Must say when using a buds AMG for the 1st time last yr. in a match I didn't like the smaller size, especially the smaller display but learned to really like how the time is sent to our tablets so no mistake in getting the time recorded correctly. That coupled w/ their excellent reputation in picking up RF in SC pushed me over the edge in ordering an AMG this Feb.

Ironically, having a somewhat smaller display, the AMG still has the largest time (the same size as Kestrel)

 

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On 4/25/2023 at 12:38 PM, clw42 said:

Any thoughts on the Kestrel timer KST1000?  Seems it's been out a while, but I've only just started seeing them.  It's a bit pricey at $299

It depends what you need from your timer. And it is one of the larger timers around.

[Locap thoughts and questions]

5 minutes ago, RJH said:

Really what I'm looking for is is there anything that the organization, or match directors, or whoever could do to get you to shoot a low cap division as it stands today?

There used to be standalone Classic (aka SS + Revolver) Nationals, then standalone Production Nationals. Now we have the Locap Nationals back-to back with the Optics Nationals.

The new format is not encouraging at least SS, Revolver and Production divisions. People have to choose 1 out of these 3 and also have to stay at the match for almost two weeks in order to shoot 2 divisions. Previously you could shoot 4 divisions over 3 weekends spaced out within a few months.

Personally I do miss that Classic Nationals match format.

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14 minutes ago, waktasz said:

You'd just have to change the home page of the results to have links to all the divisions, like USPSA's website shows. 

Why I would be changing anything if PractiScore results page already has it. Even if I had anything to do with that.

Maybe it is the opposite? Because USPSA had those links their results upset people shooting those locap divisions.

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13 minutes ago, waktasz said:

Practiscore showing the combined results as the default page when loading match results is what killed locap. 

 

If PractiScore wouldn't do that, its support team would be answering non-stop questions from people who believe in what you say that either ask why people's division results aren't present or why their division aren't shown by default...

[Practiscore]

1 hour ago, Flea said:

Does anyone know how to call or email Practiscore? I've looked around the website and didn't find anything. Thanks

If you ever need to find how to get support...

  

[Shot Timer- CED7000 or AMG Labs?]

Just for the record. This one is glowing in the dark and does sync with PractiScore and PractiScore Log apps.

 

https://www.amg-lab.com/products/commander-oled-backorder

in stock at
https://www.ericgrauffelonlineshop.com/en/electronics/1474-66837-amg-shot-timer-oled-9384045006915.html#/14-color-black

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1 hour ago, RAZZ said:

I was hoping some of you who are more experienced in Practiscore might be able to help me.  

You may want to ask all PractiScore related questions at https://community.practiscore.com/categories