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Knave. Troll elsewhere my GAFF is pegged.
You're the one that seems to be trolling.
It amazes me how many RO's will walk up and say something like, "What are you looking up now?" in sort of a mocking tone. If more RO's picked up the rule book and studied it many of these piddly problems would go away.
Glad I'm not the only one.
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When you're the shooter and staff and you're shooting with the ROs....I have had the best luck in resolving these issues at Level 2 or above matches by simply telling the Range Master to handle it. Its really not the shooters place to correct the RO's when they are using the wrong range commands, especially when its your turn to shoot. Getting snippy about it by calling them out on their errors usually only creates bitterness between the RO and the Shooter which can lead to all kinds of other unneeded drama.
I have only had to correct an RO once by stating "Please use the correct range commands so I can handle my firarme without being DQ'ed" during a major match. This was in response to the RO giving me an invalid range command of "Load it up" instead of the "Make Ready" command. Beyond trying to throw me under the bus by using the wrong range commands, I will simply roll with it and then take it up with the RM later on.
All it really comes down to is people being lazy. As a match director myself I have heard every excuse as to why they are not using the correct range commands. I simply tell them that there is no excuse for being too lazy to read and memorize the range commands. Man up and get it done like everyone else has to or DON'T RO. This either snaps them into shape, or they quit ROing which are both valid solutions.
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*That's* not why they look at you funny!
You're probably right.
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Yes, absolutely.Instead of posting about do you take the time to nicely remind them that there is a specific set of range commands and reason behind it?
A simple, "yeah not sure if you were aware of it but you are not using the correct range commands...... The reason for them is..... Just thought I would give you a friendly reminder...."
Edit: I tell them. I try to be friendly about it.
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This thread only started because of my experience at various Level 2+ matches. My local clubs are pretty good about this stuff.However, I don't think much will change unless you take initiative at your own club.
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I don't even know what to title this thread. Last time this type of thing happened to me at a major match, I didn't make much of an issue of it but it seems as though, as we progress, things aren't getting much better it seems.
The easiest things to fix also seem to be the most common.
1) Range commands
2) Range commands
What have I run into?
The obvious ones are "load and make ready," "shooter, are you ready?" etc.
But the one that gets me is the RO waiting on a response at the "Are you ready" command.
Folks, talk this over with your ROs at your staff meetings. ROing is a volunteer sport and I am nothing but thankful to the men and women who put on matches. However, as fairly new (in the grand scheme of things) CRO, breakdowns like this really make me question what or how we can fix these types of deficiencies.
Thoughts?
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Some classifiers call walls "vision barriers." I think, in those instances, the walls should be solid.
ex: http://www.uspsa.org/classifiers/99-34.pdf, http://www.uspsa.org/classifiers/03-09.pdf, https://www.uspsa.org/classifiers/06-02.pdf
There is, in my opinion, a definitive reason why these walls should be solid.
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This is a primary example why the ONLY words an RO should say to the on deck shooter are "make ready."
And people look at me funny when they come up to the start position and I only say "make ready" and don't offer any conversation.
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I don't think that would matter.Were you able to see the targets and aim or would you have to point shoot at them? In other words if they were solid walls not snow fence, my assumption, could you still see the targets? If so I'd say have at them.
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Spanky, your stage was one of the most fun and well run stages. Good job!
Agreed!
Thanks, guys.
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We got home at 1am, exactly 6 hours after leaving the range. Thanks to all the staff and competitors for making it such a great time. It was a long weekend, having shot all the stages on Thursday and then working stage 10 Friday and Saturday but it was well worth the experience.
I hope all of you enjoyed yourselves on my stage. I try to keep things as lively and fun as possible while still trying to be the most efficient stage on the range. If anyone has any comments, questions or critiques please don't hesitate to let me know.
On stage 7 - did you stand in the box and shoot the first 4 targets like everyone else after the RM took away the ability to shoot the stage freestyle?
WELL, I was referring to my stage but, since you asked; I went back and watched the video and the one you saw on Ty's phone was stage 9, not stage 7. I don't have a video of stage 7 and didn't remember specifically so I conferred with a few squadmates who all agreed they shot from the box.
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We got home at 1am, exactly 6 hours after leaving the range. Thanks to all the staff and competitors for making it such a great time. It was a long weekend, having shot all the stages on Thursday and then working stage 10 Friday and Saturday but it was well worth the experience.
I hope all of you enjoyed yourselves on my stage. I try to keep things as lively and fun as possible while still trying to be the most efficient stage on the range. If anyone has any comments, questions or critiques please don't hesitate to let me know.
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Comment to myself on the perceived quality of the stages and go on with my life.
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That's literally one of the top 3 silliest things I've heard in this sport.However, if the "cosmetic finish" happened to be worn thru somewhere this would certainly be legal.
Careful there -- Amidon has ruled in the past that a magwell that was incredibly beatup from reloading practice on a Glock rendered the frame illegal for production due to wear, IIRC......
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?? Which meeting?I think the BOD meeting minutes indicated that they will be replacing the pulled classifiers with new ones that will be re-tooled for 8 round revolvers. Just give them a little time.
It could either be the most recent one, or the minutes from October 1, 1992. I don't remember which.
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Ironically, I've literally never seen it checked at any majors I attended, neither as an RO nor just as a shooter.Every major I have shot or worked this was indeed checked
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Best of luck with your hip, Hop.
I LOL'd picturing Sam as a rapper.
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I reckon I might try to make it.
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OK, now I'll be a bit less tactful. Rule 10.5.9 is inartfully written, as are many of our rules, so some common sense is required of the RO. In this case, the RO enforced the rule blindly and without that critical common sense component.
It has been pointed out to me that if you can't handle the way things are done then you need to look for another game.
I've DQ'd folks in that other sport for safety violations & seen righteous DQ's in USPSA, so it ain't that I'm anti DQ, but the 'Dq'd because of rule 359 subparagraph D section xii, based on the subcommittees hypothetical scenario that such and such could eventually lead to so and so' just doesn't work for me personally.
What does work, and may or may not be a thing for the wheel gunner, is just to low key things. Contribute to the sport with set up & pasting and etc, have fun at low cost and easy drive local matches, but don't let yourself get too much invested to where the things you don't like can ruin your fun.
I'm going to challenge both you and stealthy to respond to my "what if" question above. While, looking at the rules, you can sit there and be critical of someone issuing a DQ for following the letter of the rule - but I think there is real practical sense, after thinking about this for a while, to adhering to the letter of the law here. Permitting a shooter to put their fingers in the trigger guard, in a specific way, for a specific piece of equipment, doing a specific process, can be a recipe for disaster.
Muscle memory combined with improper technique can cause them not to do it right - ONE TIME- and it results in a more dangerous situation than need be.
I understand that in this ONE particular observation, that he was DQ'd for something that couldn't have possibly resulted in the gun firing - but the technique COULD lead to something much more dangerous, and the reason for the DQ and the rules being as they are - are sound. My challenge to you is to argue against this premise, instead of calling the RO a nazi and the DQ being a lawyer trick instead of a chapter and verse issue. Sperman's point is valid.
I couldn't agree more.
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Thanks guys. I've been wanting something to commemorate them for a while and I came across the idea thumbing through a tattoo magazine while waiting on my girlfriend's appointment. We took the idea, incorporated my criteria for what was in it and rolled with it. I'm very happy with it.
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I will never forget the day the property owners in front of my parents house cut down my moms sunflowers that were on the property line. She broke down like I'd never seen before.
My dad drove trucks his entire life. His call tag was "Free Bird."
My mom absolutely loved hummingbirds. Always had feeders as long as I could remember. On the day that we returned from my dads wake, my parents magnolia tree had bloomed one lone flower. For the first time ever.
My dad passed away in 2003 after a very short bout wit non-hodgkins lymphoma.
My mom passed away in 2010 after a 6 month battle with pacreatic cancer. -
We police brass at the end of the match during teardown. Seems Sarge would have a heart attack at our teardowns.
If somebody picked up a bagful for me while I put everything away they would have my blessing!
during "awards/scores presentation"
I'll have to try one of your local matches someday!
I didn't realize scoring at a local match was uncommon.
Maybe consider changing your procedure so that all brass collected during teardown is lumped and poured for everyone to go through after teardown?
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We police brass at the end of the match during teardown. Seems Sarge would have a heart attack at our teardowns.
If somebody picked up a bagful for me while I put everything away they would have my blessing!
This is how our teardown goes:
Squads tear down AND police brass on the last stage they shot. Props are carried to the storage shed and/or loaded onto trucks and then unloaded into the storage shed. All the brass is put into the stage buckets and brought a designated area and is all dumped out together. At this point, after teardown and during "awards/scores presentation" everyone who wants to can go through the piles of brass to find theirs and/or take what people don't want.
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We police brass at the end of the match during teardown. Seems Sarge would have a heart attack at our teardowns.
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I really, really, really doubt that. That's a hell of a stretch.
Yeah, that.