PJONES5 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Does anyone have any load data for this powder. Have some information that load data for universal clays can be used. Thanks Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Hi Pat. There is two formulations of this powder. The older lot is larger flakes, and the newest has smaller flakes. You can use Universal Clays load data and you will be within around .02 grains, depending on load. Reduce like normal and work up to what you need, for safety's sake. It works just fine.... DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJONES5 Posted June 15, 2014 Author Share Posted June 15, 2014 Thanks Doug. pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDeadeye Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I ordered 12 # of this powder online last week, I am hoping it will be a good powder for .40 and .45 and possibly some 9mm 124 gr. loads for competition. Let us know how it works out for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copecowboy22 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Jimmy Mitchell had a BUNCH of this stuff at double tap last week. I asked him about it and from the testing they've done with it, it seems to fit a lil bit I everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDeadeye Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I finally had a chance to try this powder out, here's an update: About a month ago I ran out of the Red Dot powder that I have been using for 9mm USPSA minor loads for my wife and I. I started watching online and couldn't ever get the stars to align and get some, so I looked for an alternative. I saw the CSB-1 powder in the where to buy thread on another forum and after a little research decided to give it a shot. Most of the info I could find said it was somewhere between Universal and Unique, so it seemed like it could be a useful powder for 9mm, and .45 for sure, and probably .40 S&W also. I ordered a few 4# jugs and after a slight shipping delay on the dealers end received it last week. From what I was able to find online, CSB-1 is the powder used in Rio shotgun shells, and Rio is going to start offering reloading components in the US sometime in 2014. Rio Reloading Components Maxam Powders Anyways, on to the fun stuff. My old minor load was 4.0gr. of Red Dot with a 124gr. Xtreme RN @ 1.145" and either Rem. or CCI SP primers. This load averaged about 1050 fps and gave me a 130 power factor and pretty light recoil. I wanted to try to get close to that again. The data below is from shooting these loads in my full size M&P 9mm. I also shot them out of my wifes P226 and those velocities pretty consistently ran about 50 fps. higher due to the longer barrel. All of these loads used CCI SP primers. Here is what the chronograph said. The 3.8, 4.0, 4.2, 4.4 & 4.6gr. loads I loaded on my LNL AP but used my Chargemaster to measure out the powder since I only did 16 of each. The 4.5gr. load I used the Hornady powder measure and from checking it yesterday again I think it was dropping closer to 4.6 than 4.5 most of the time. I am going to stick with the 4.4 to 4.5 range either way and should make PF with a little room to spare that way. I also checked my Red Dot loads as I was testing these, just to use as a baseline. Here's a (bad) cell phone picture showing Red Dot, Unique and CSB-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdinga Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Saw this at a gun show this afternoon for $86 for 8 pounds....was afraid it was too good to be true.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THM7 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Anyone have info or data on CSB-5 for 9 mm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonofVa Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) Anyone have info or data on CSB-5 for 9 mm? I bought some Surplus Powder at a gun show that had the load data printed on the label. I tried to find out exactly what kind of powder it was. The speculation was that it maybe Russian Unique, AKA Salut or possibly CSB-5. Here is a photo of the granular structure of the Surplus Powder, and a photo of the label. I bought an 8 lb. jug, and some 1 lb. containers. The 1 lb. container has more load data on it than the 8 pounder. I tested this powder through my Chronograph and the label is about right. But I am not absolutely sure exactly what kind of powder it is. You can find photos of the CSB powders here. Looks like CSB-5 to me. (But you can't judge powder by what it looks like.) http://www.shooterspagetx.com/rio/components_powders.htm Edited July 30, 2014 by RonofVa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THM7 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Thanks.....not much data for it unless you are loading shotgun. Looks to very similar to N320 or Titegroup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THM7 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Should say similar burn rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5hakey Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) Resurrecting this post with some data from a CZ SP-01, similar results to SDeadeye. Load Powder Bullet OAL Primer Vel SD ES PF 3.8gn CSB-1 Xtreme 124 1.08 FSPMatch 975 13 38 121 4.0gn CSB-1 Xtreme 124 1.08 FSPMatch 1006 8.6 29 125 4.2gn CSB-1 Xtreme 124 1.08 FSPMatch 1031 6.2 21 128 4.4gn CSB-1 Xtreme 124 1.08 FSPMatch 1058 9.8 26 131 4.6gn CSB-1 Xtreme 124 1.08 FSPMatch 1089 9.0 29 135 Edited December 22, 2014 by 5hakey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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emjei Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Just tested a new load today CZ Shadow CSB 1 Powder 3.7 Gr 135 Bayou 1.125 OAL .375 Crimp FPS average 952 PF 128 Mj Mj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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