Mech Tech CCU Glock conversion write up - now with brief range report

[rugerp89ipsc]

Sorry, I hope everyone is okay with following the link on arfcom. I think the shooters here are a bet more cultured and educated; however, I can post as many pics as I want in a reply there without membership, so here we are.

CCU Glock 19 write up

Edited May 7, 2009 by rugerp89ipsc

[Flexmoney]

got one for my mother in law

Sounds like a good trade.

However, your link doesn't do anything for me. How about putting your write-up here?

[Cuz]

However, your link doesn't do anything for me. How about putting your write-up here?

+1

I can't find it and I'd love to read it. Please post it here.

-Cuz.

Edited May 6, 2009 by Cuz

[rugerp89ipsc]

However, your link doesn't do anything for me. How about putting your write-up here?

+1

I can't find it and I'd love to read it. Please post it here.

-Cuz.

Okay, here goes so far. Still need ammo to get a proper range report. But this will atleast get some good pics up for everyone.

I should have one coming for my mother in law in the next few days. Prior to buying this for her, I could not find a whole lot on one of these units. Besides a range report, what all are you guys interested in seeing if anything? Obviously this is not for everyone and being this website is titled arfcom, I expect some people would rather work a 9mm AR. However, whoever is interested, let me know what questions you have through this thread and I will do my best to address them.

My other in law thought this unit would be good for her for several reasons. First, she feels comfortable and consistent with her g19. She states she is old and would rather just pull the slide off and slide another unit on then to spend the time getting use to working a new gun. Secondly, she does not want to do any shooting over 50-100 yards. She wants to start at 25-50 and just get use to doing some basic carbine drills. Third, she is on a budget and does not want to have to dumb money into a complete 9mm AR with new mags (showed her the Oly-Glock model, but they are a little difficult to find around here) and she didn't want to have to hunt for another type of ammo. She feels quite frustrated with the current ammo situation and I am sure she is the only one. Lastly, she just wants to have some fun and experience getting to shoot a rifle with my wife who I built an AR for.

The unit I ordered for her was:

Mech Tech CCU Glock 19 basic model for basically $350shipped

she wanted a dot sight with a very small amount of magnification. Again, she was on a budget, so this is what I found for her for now:

Truglo 2x42 5MOA Red Dot - Was basically $90 shipped.

So, right now we have $440 into this unit. Not getting any ninja accessories or the newer stock options, yet. I am going to wrap the metal frame for the stock in blk 550 cord for her and see if I can get it sighted in well for her. Not sure if her poi will be the same as mine; however, she should easily be able to get on paper if I get it sighted in a bit.

Hopefully I can find some reasonable priced 9mm, otherwise, the range report is going to be rather lacking

So questions, pic requests of the unit, groupings, let me know and I will try to get them for you guys.

[rugerp89ipsc]

Alright, got dropped off today and I have to say, there is a lot I am impressed with and some other aspects that make me

First off, overall appearance. The unit was shipped wrapped in stro wrap in a cardboard tube. There was a rubber boot on the musszle. DONT THROW IT AWAY! A fairly descriptive manual along with a small plastic bag with a metal feed ramp/looking block. The unit was surprisingly hefty, but not heavy. As plastic and cheap as it looked, most of the unit is metal/aluminum. The only plastic appears to be the handguard.

Now, I am not a man for instructions; however, freaking read these, because this is not as simple as just sliding your frame on. That rubber boot is essential in assembling/dissembling the unit.

First off, get your glock's slide off. Take your mag out, pull the slide back and visually check that your chamber does not have a round in it. Then repeat. Once you get the slide off, you will have to take the metal feedramp/block and place it on your glock's locking block. it is a loose fit, so be careful in high grass, mud or whatever not to lose this part, because it only came with one. In addition, until the unit is secure on the frame of your glock, you will need to keep the glock's frame with this feed ramp fairly horizontal.

Next you will need to take your unit and lock the bolt to the rear. This is accomplished by pulling on the bolt handle, then pushing it into the unit. There is a cut out in the frame of the unit where the handle of the bolt will catch when it is depressed. Once the bolt is locked, you slide the upper onto your glock's frame in a similar fashion to your normal pistol slide.

This is where the muzzle rubber boot comes into play. The unit fits EXTREMELY tight to the frame and there is a rubber "pad" that presses firmly against the muzzle end (dust cover) of your glock's frame. The boot needs to be on the muzzle and you will have to place the muzzle against the ground and push firmly on your glock's frame to lock it into the unit. You will know it is in place because you will hear the same click as you do when the slide locks onto the frame. My camera battery died; however, I will post pictures of it being assembled asap. [span style=color: red]The manual stated that this can be done by firmly grasping the barrel and not by my method, but I cannot make that happen at the moment. After many uses, this may change. [/span]

Now that the unit is in place, it operates basically the same as your glock. Your brain and finger is the safety along with the trigger mech, just like usual. To charge the weapon and make it hot, you insert the mag as usual, pull the charging handle attached to the bolt and feed a round into the chamber.

This is for my mother in law and she wanted a dot and affordable, so this unit does not have irons or any rails. However, there are several units available now with rails, regular AR style sights and stocks. This unit has the metal "wire" stock. I though this was going to be flimsy; however, it turned out to be very rigid. My only complaint about the stock is that it feels very long in comparison to my ARs. I wrapped the top in para/550 cord, but I was able to get a decent check weld without it. In addition, it was hard for me to get use to not having my nose to the charging handle. if this was my unit, I would use something under the para cord to indicate where my zen check weld was.

I have not had a chance to fire the unit yet since I do not have any 9mm currently. Hopefully UPS fixes that in the next week and I will post up a range report.

Positive aspects.

-The unit feels very tight and well made

-Once assembled, the unit fits the slide perfectly and handles like small rifle

-the bolt is easily operated with 1 hand

-familiarity, feels like the glock

-very well balanced, weight is centered and the overall weight of the gun is enough it feels solid, but not enough to make it cumbersome.

-manual is excellent and very descriptive. more pictures would be nice, but hopefully this thread will give others some insight.

-price - with the sight, total cost is just over $440. I know there will be several out there that say, you had to buy the glock too; however, I already have the glock, and this gives my glock some more versatility for a lot less then getting or building another AR. Hopefully I feel the same after it's been fired some.

Negative

-I personally do not like how the unit is assembled. The though of pushing down on the muzzle to both put it on the glock frame and take it off is not appealing to me. The comp is crimped onto the barrel and feels very secure, but time will tell.

-the wire frame feels long, I am not sure how the m4ish stocks feel, but I would like one that is adjustable

-review the pictures, the firing pin is exposed under the unit. I understand this is the case because of how the frame is attached to the unit and it seems unlikely it would be damaged; however, i would like it to have some more protection.

-It seems that the unit is not readily able to be modded. You have to buy the unit how you want it, ie with rails or iron or stock. I need to do some more research, bc i may be wrong in this, but it would be nice to be able to buy parts/upgrades as you go. [span style=color: red]This is incorrect. there are some parts that have to come factory installed; however, most parts, such as the stocks and the forearms can be added later. [/span]

-no fast sling attachment

If there are other pictures you want to see or questions you have, fire away. I am going to spend more time tomorrow dissembling the upper/conversion unit and I will post more about that later. If you are in the Austin area and have tips for 9mm ammo, let me know and I can get the range report done sooner

ETA - red

Edited May 7, 2009 by rugerp89ipsc

[rugerp89ipsc]

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[rugerp89ipsc]

Will add more in a bit, the wife has some chords.

[Cuz]

Will add more in a bit, the wife has some chords.

Great info, keep it coming.

-Cuz.

[rugerp89ipsc]

Well, I am really pleased and impressed.I managed to run 200 rounds through it today. I have 1 malfunction when i was shooting prone and rested the 33rd mag on the ground, causing a round to catch on the chamber's edge and locking the bolt back. dropped the mag, cycled the bolt and no issues from there.

The sight took a lot of elevation adjustment to get on target at 25 yards, almost 20 clicks; however, windage just needed 3 clicks right. Here is the bullseye I used and the perp target i started at. I started on the perp target just standing and then went prone to try and fine tune it.

Overall, I feel the gun is very accurate at the distance i could test. You can see the 5 shot grouping on the bullseye when it got dialed in.

Furthest distance I was able to try was at 50yards. This was prone with no support, ended up with about a 2moa group. I am sure some of you guys could do better or would go better prepped with some sort of rest [bD]

As far as the handling of the gun set up like this goes. You can quickly move and get on target. It is easy to manipulate and move with in general. In addition, I was able to use the plastic handguard to help brace/rest against a barricade for shooting. The long stock did not trouble me as much as I though it would, just strange not having a point of reference for the check weld. With use, I think it will come naturally. It is not loud and there is not real recoil. The main movement i feel in the gun seems to be that of the bolt moving. The main noise heard I can only describe as the spring, "sprung" sort, similar to the spring in a buffer tube moving. It is easy to move through shooting positions with the gun and fairly easy to take off balance/position shots.

As far as the ejection of the spent casing is concerned, this does not really throw the brass far. The brass appears to travel forward after hitting the housing at the rear of the ejection port. In addition, it does not seem to eject with much force. It is consistence and you will have a small little pile of brass near your feet, but I wonder if over time that spring will need to be replaced or become an issue.

Hope in the next week to get out to a longer range and put her through some more hoops. As far as maintenance is concerned, the unit does not appear to be noticeably grimey. The action still moves with easy and there does not seem to be a large amount of fouling.

In addition, now that I have a bit of 9mm, I will also get pics of the gun with the bolt open and mag in and another of what the gun looks like with a round chambered.