Timed Fire

[wide45]

We recently had a timed fire stage in a match. The results we got back don't look right. I have to trust that the statsperson is doing it right. I can't run the scoring program on my computer, so I am asking for help. Can we get the program to stop penalizing misses?

Stage No:  1  Semi Practical Event

Place Name No. Class Division Points Penalties Time Hit Factor Stage Pts Stage %

1      John    11  B    Open          89  0 0 89.0000 89.0000 100.00%

2      Jeffrey  1  A    Open          83  0 0 83.0000 83.0000 93.26%

3      David    5    B    Open          82  0 0 82.0000 82.0000 92.13%

4      Rich      7    B    Limited      79  0 0 79.0000 79.0000 88.76%

5      Paul    10    A    Open          75  0 0 75.0000 75.0000 84.27%

6      Steve  12  B    Open          81 10 0 71.0000 71.0000 79.78%

7      Rober  t9    A    Limited 10  79 10 0 69.0000 69.0000 77.53%

8      John    4    D    Revolver    67  0 0 67.0000 67.0000 75.28%

9      David    3    D    Production  53 10 0 43.0000 43.0000 48.31%

10    John    6    C    Open          70 30 0 40.0000 40.0000 44.94%

11    John    13  A    Open          62 50 0 12.0000 12.0000 13.48%

12    Joe      2    C    Production  34 60 0 0 0 0.00%

Tie  Brian    8    C    Limited      49 50 0 0 0 0.00%

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[ErikW]

Stage No:  1  Semi Practical Event

Place Name No. Class Division Points Penalties Time Hit Factor Stage Pts Stage %

1      John    11  B    Open          89  0 0 89.0000 89.0000 100.00%

2      Jeffrey  1  A    Open          83  0 0 83.0000 83.0000 93.26%

3      David    5    B    Open          82  0 0 82.0000 82.0000 92.13%

4      Rich      7    B    Limited      79  0 0 79.0000 79.0000 88.76%

5      Paul    10    A    Open          75  0 0 75.0000 75.0000 84.27%

6      Steve  12  B    Open          81 10 0 71.0000 71.0000 79.78%

7      Rober  t9    A    Limited 10  79 10 0 69.0000 69.0000 77.53%

8      John    4    D    Revolver    67  0 0 67.0000 67.0000 75.28%

9      David    3    D    Production  53 10 0 43.0000 43.0000 48.31%

10    John    6    C    Open          70 30 0 40.0000 40.0000 44.94%

11    John    13  A    Open          62 50 0 12.0000 12.0000 13.48%

12    Joe      2    C    Production  34 60 0 0 0 0.00%

Tie  Brian    8    C    Limited      49 50 0 0 0 0.00%

Are you sure those are Misses, not Procedurals or No-Shoot penalties?

It was obviously entered as a Fixed Time stage, not a VC or Comstock. Now that I think of it, there might be a bug/feature that lets you enter Misses instead of Non-Penalty Misses. Set up the stage with disappearing targets if it doesn't let you enter NPMs.

[jkmccoy]

If you set up a stage in EZWinScore (any version) as "timed fire" then the box for "no penalty misses" appears on the window where you enter scores. Unfortunately, the box for "misses" (with penalties) does not go away. The scorekeeper still needs to enter the misses in the correct box (npm).

It is possible that the misses got entered incorrectly and thus shooters received penalties they should not have received. But, Erik's question is a good one. Are you sure that these were not penalties for some other reason - procedural, extra shot, late shot, etc.?

Cheers,

[wide45]

It was a simple stage. No one had any procedurals.

Thanks for the help. I'll ask the statsperson about the box of misses.

[TheOtherErik]

The best solution is next time you have a timed fire stage have your score keeper not mark down misses

[jkmccoy]

Failing to record misses may be the WORST scorekeeping suggestion I have ever heard!

Even in a "timed-fire" stage the correct total number of shots (hits + misses) must be accounted for. If the scorecard does not have the correct number of entries when it arrives at the stat shack then rules 9.7.5 and 9.7.6 apply.

If the shooter is still available the scorekeeper should insist on a reshoot (9.7.5) since there would be insufficient shots entered. The scorekeeper is NOT responsible for determining whether you failed to record an "A" or a "NPM"!

If a re-shoot is not possible, since it is a timed-fire stage and misses shall not incur penalties (US 9.2.2.4) the hits recorded would be deemed sufficient (9.7.6) and missing shots would be scored as no-penalty misses.

DON'T do that to your scorekeeper. They work hard enough for precious little thanks. Record the hits and misses correctly on a properly prepared scoresheet. If the misses are "no-penalty" misses they need to be recorded in the appropriate column.

Us scorekeepers can get pretty testy when you don't record things correctly. And you sure don't want the scorekeeper mad at you

Cheers,

[Liota]

Failing to record misses may be the WORST scorekeeping suggestion I have ever heard!

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Us scorekeepers can get pretty testy when you don't record things correctly. And you sure don't want the scorekeeper mad at you

Cheers,

Kelly is most correct. Not only is there an issue with incorrect scorekeeping, but the shooter is truly cheating himself if he does not record the score properly.

Kelly, surely you realize that all the cursing and grumbling is our way of saying how great a scorekeeper you are and how grateful we are that you do it...Ahem! especially since we don't want to do it and you are soooooo very good at it.

Liota