StealthyBlagga Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 (edited) I have a new-production Saiga 12. I want to replace the original "sporter" stock with a fixed stock and pistol-grip. It appears I have two options: Option #1) Perform a true pistol-grip conversion, bringing the gun back to original factory "assault shotgun" appearance. This is basically what Tromix does, except that I will do it myself. I have the tools, and the instructions look straight forward. The result of this conversion would be a shorter and more elegant gun, IMHO. Option #2) Bolt on an Ace adapter with the stock of my choice. Obviously, installing this adapter would be fast and simple, but would also make for a longer and less elegant gun. The application will be "light relief" Practical Shotgun/3-gun, as its not legal in my usual Tactical/Limited division. For me, any cost difference between the two approaches is unimportant. Also, before anyone mentions 922, I will be SBSing this gun on a Form 1, so there is no issue with the US parts count . Help me decide... wWich way should I jump ? Edited March 21, 2007 by StealthyBlagga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 You should really ask this question over on the Saiga-12 Forum. They have a lot more experience on the subject and Tony would probably help you out if you post any questions. A lot of guys have already converted their guns and can lend a hand. In another year this site will probably have a lot more Saiga information available. FWWIW I chose the Ace stock because my rifle has the same thing on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 "Option #1) Perform a true pistol-grip conversion, bringing the gun back to original factory "assault shotgun" appearance. This is basically what Tromix does, except that I will do it myself. I have the tools, and the instructions look straight forward. The result of this conversion would be a shorter and more elegant gun, IMHO." On a 20 gauge saiga I own, I went with this option using US made S2 parts and US furniture. I have 2 of the soviet 10-round factory mags and 5 of the regular 20 gauge 5 rounders. I think it is a better way to go - esp since you are going to the extra trouble of the form 1. I used the web intructions. One note of caution - the receiver is so thin & the barrel unweildy that its hard to hold in a mill vice. I ended up using the dremel and files more than I planed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted March 21, 2007 Author Share Posted March 21, 2007 You should really ask this question over on the Saiga-12 Forum... Already done, but I value the 3-gun prespective here too. I used the web intructions... Thanks for the first-hand feedback Carlos. By the way, did you eliminate the redundant rear rivets completely, or did you use the binding post approach to leave them in palce ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Bought the posts, but never installed them - so there are two holes in the rec. Otherwise, it looks factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTOSHootr Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 (edited) I did the conversion myself with all the info from the Saiga12 forum. I elminated the rear holes with the Tig and I used E-clips from Home Depot to retain the hammer and trigger pins. I've found them easy to put in and take out. I was going to leave the holes but I used a weld on trigger guard from Tromix so while the welder was out... The ACE stock mounted with their reciever block gave the right length of pull (with a 1" pad). After cutting the tang off, the block fit tightly in the receiver and is really solid. Get your parts from Tony at Tromix or BlackJack Buffers. The conversion was easy, I think it took me longer to do my first reload. Edited March 21, 2007 by GTOSHootr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topmaul Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Option 1 don't even consider option 2 As a long time Saiga fan, I can tell you that you will be very happy with your first option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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