Mike P
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I gotta wonder about the accuracy of the tracer ammo.
It would be interesting to group some on paper.
One of the problems with the format using "pickup" guns is they get tossed around a little by each competitor. Not so much an issue with the pistols or shotguns but surely with the scoped rifles. Wish I could think of a solution to the problem.
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I gotta wonder about the accuracy of the tracer ammo.
It would be interesting to group some on paper.
One of the problems with the format using "pickup" guns is they get tossed around a little by each competitor. Not so much an issue with the pistols or shotguns but surely with the scoped rifles. Wish I could think of a solution to the problem.
I doubt any of those guys tossed the equipment about any differently than they would their own.
Which begs the question which optic/mount wasn't holding zero?
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I'm pulling for Cramblit. Monkeyfeets in the winners circle!!
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what i liked about AM you had time to do all the side matchs and some more than once. as i understand it the pro did not free time,
Pros had 1 extra stage spread over an extra 1/2 day, and many were at the side matches. I know because I was taking lots of notes at the Benelli and LaRue sides by watching those guys. Now, the pros and others that didn't have time were the ones busting their butts as ROs and match staff. Those guys not only missed much of the side matches, they shot 8 stages in 1 day, then worked the next 3!! They were a key part of the success of the match. So, while I join everyone in thanking the sponsors, I also give a huge thanks to the staff that pulled it off. You guys/gals ROCK!!
Thanks,
Robert
I second that...
true the RO,s and Staff did Rock and worked hard.
i had several friends that shot pro, and at the end of each day we would talk about the day. and i was going by what they said. i guess they were in a large squad, i got the impression that each time they finished a stage it was time to be at the next one. and i know they were disapointed they did not get to try the cave. but they had a great time both at the match and giving me hell about shooting AM.
I don't know about the other stages, but the one I worked had "ghost squads" in the rotation so there was some down time. It seems reasonable to think the other stages would have as well. The match planning and scoring would have supported at least one more squad, maybe two in pro.
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Rules questions/discussions seem so frequent and similar that they rarely amount to much more than pot stirring. Then again pot stirring can be inspired and as such should be encouraged I think.
Carry on.
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This makes my head hurt.
Can't we go back to the normal periodic cry for changes in irons and HM? Hey, there's an idea, if you want mag changes, shoot HM.
Problem solved.
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I'd look at getting a DPMS either 16" mid-length or rifle length flat top. Add whichever A-2 rear sight you like, shoot the pi$$ out of it and upgrade later if you need/want to.
They are good rifles at a good price.
ETA I personally find the A-2 buttstock too long and prefer one of the adjustable ones. You might want to look at the two hands on before deciding. The adjustable one does offer some options.
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I tend to disagree with giving returning shooters a leg up in registration. I think that it adds excitement to the overall match experience having to mash the button and cross your fingers. Besides, lots of folks who normally support three gun with their attendance may not have been able to come last year for whatever reason. A lot can happen in 9 months and with the match accepting 500 shooters I think most who want in will get in. If a match can't be heads up, at least the registration can.
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There is a damn nice range/club in Hoover, just south of B'ham. There is also an uspsa club in Pleasant Grove a little west of the city.
Google Brock's gap training center and or Steel city shooting sports for the one in Hoover.
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My picks are Mike Hughes who has been an RO or involved in helping at some level of every major match I've been able to attend from VA to TX, probably others too. Some where he just worked. Pat Kelley for all the same reasons already mentioned, being a gentleman and positive influence wherever he is. And lastly TK who always seems to be the first one with a beer after the last shots are fired, taking match prep to the next level.
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Collecting ammo after a run, or other random methods has been done in the other pistol sport. Really though, those inclined to fudge will find a way. Better to just do away with PF altogether, pistol only matches too.
Not HM though, there it should be raised.
So...do away with power factor, because of cheaters? !!?
No, do away with it because it a non-issue except in the scoring method. Whether you shoot paper targets, marshmallows, or softballs, none of them will be able to tell the difference between a 9, 40, 45, or 50. Better to just do away with it, and while we're at it do away with the "D" zone too.
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Opinion:
Maximum rifle distance should be kept under 300 yards. Weather and time become too big a factor when you go out past 300, as does the practicality of the weapons system we are using.
Yeah, it can be fun shooting 500 yard targets, unless you are the first squad to shoot the stage in the morning with the sun in your eyes and 30 MPH winds. You have lost the match on the first stage as you can not make up the points deficit during the match. Or, the match is running late and your squad is shooting at dusk.
I go to these matches to compete on an equal stage. If I want to have fun, I will stay home and play.
You gotta take the good with the bad, has no place in event management. All aspects should be taken into account and make it an equal heads up competition.
Keep it manageable for inclement weather and time run overs.
I am a big fan of bringing back the Manually Operated Rifle (MOR) events and run a long range course of fire (sniper match)after the main match while the scores are being compiled, etc. You can even include the gas guns now since the accuracy is so much better these days. Make it a cash pay in with 100% cash pay out to the winner. If distance does not permit, then know how to set up a reduced distance course. Terry Cross told me some of the most fun/difficult sniper competitions he has shot were the reduced distance courses.
If you don't have access to a range over 100 yards, it really sucks to go shoot a match out to 400/500 and be competitive without being able to verify your equipment/ballistics.
I have seen too many matches where the outcome has been determined on a long range rifle course of fire. Generally this tends to cater to a select few individuals who have the training and access to the facilities for long range rifle shooting and the weather played in their favor (winds/light). Also, if you know the weather conditions for a specific area/terrain, the squading/time of shooting can be manipulated in favor of certain squads.
Gotta stay balanced in all aspects. The matches should be challenging to the top shooters without intimidating the beginner/intermediate shooter.
Jack
See this year's Pro-Am.
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Collecting ammo after a run, or other random methods has been done in the other pistol sport. Really though, those inclined to fudge will find a way. Better to just do away with PF altogether, pistol only matches too.
Not HM though, there it should be raised.
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IMO USPSA, and the other action shooting organisation use an artificially low PF, even for pistol.
As far a clays flippers go, I like them but understand the problem with consistency. Electric sporting clays traps are pretty darn consistent though and can be programmed(some of them) to launch birds at a specific rate. Even at that, you'd still have the issue of scoring breaks.
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Will there be a minimum PF or is it only going to be caliber specific? If there is a minimum PF, what is it?
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Is this match at the same place where folks need to adjust to altitiude?
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I tried Barry...but your mind is made up...the winning-est rifle in the history of HM Iron is not for you!
You're a FAL guy??? Is yours a DSA with a "Hampton" lower? The one with the real deal A2 rear sight?
Is it a DSA "match" rifle???
Is is a solid 2MOA rifle?
If not keep working on that wooden wheel
Good luck.
Patrick
If my mind was made up, I wouldn't have asked the question. Viscerally I love my FAL, and it is the rifle I would keep if I had only one. I also agree that M1A's can be supremely accurate, especially shooting high power, but I can't fail to notice that M1A's are about as popular in HM as FAL's. My only experince with a M1A was a 3 rifle comparison between a HK a M1A and a FAL and they shot hardest to softest in that order. I could get behind a Socom 16 if it was competitive, but I have never seen anyone actually using one at a match.
Oh, and my FAL is ugly, not even a DSA, it's a Century build on a Hesse Reciever that has had the bulk of it's small parts replaced. I have had it for a while and I am afraid to drop a gauge in it because I have shot it ALOT. One of my quandries is do I spend the $$ on rebarreling it and take the chance on it not working or put the $$ toward a more productive project...
The " Hampton" lower is a large improvement over the standard FAL sights, DSA also has or had another lower with a picatinny section to add whatever you wanted as a sight. Mine has the "Hampton", a DSA 16 inch barrel and a custom brake made by a local smith, and it does shoot 2 minutes consistently. None of the scope mounting options I've tried work well with the FAL. Also, I have and have used the DSA FF tube and it proved too large and heavy for my purposes.
That said, I'm in the process of putting together a 16" AR for HM because it is more accurate, and more versatile than any of the other options.
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Mike P wrote:
.....The top shooters/winners do well because they typically practice the most, work the hardest at becoming better and it is well that they are rewarded for their efforts....Should they be rewarded for their efforts?
Yes.
Do I want them to do it on my nickel?
No.
You know from Econ 101, that the whole study of economics is based on the belief of a rational person making sound rational decisions. If somebody is that jones'ing for a high zoot gun that could be found on a prize table, it would just be cheaper for them to buy it off their local gunstore...versus sinking all that money into ammo, targets, timers, gas to and from the range for practice, etc.
IDPA does random draw only, and there are plenty of those major IDPA matches that sell out completely.
Throw us D, C, and B class shooters a bone, would ya?
I don't look at it as providing anything but a chance to sort who the best shooter is that day.
I look at shooting matches in much the same way as gaming in a casino, in my case the odds are not good that I'll win, people who go a lot, or know the games well have much better odds of winnning. Sometimes though you can get lucky, and if you go play enough, you can get lucky more often. I wouldn't want to go play cards for 3 days and see the pot go to a person with the losing hand.
The only gun I ever won was by random draw at an IDPA major in 2001 I think and I doubt if by today's standards I'd even be a "B" class shooter.
3-gun is just something I like to do, playing for something just makes it more fun IMO.
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As one of the "50%er's" I won't shoot a big match that doesn't have a prize table, by big I mean a 100.00+ entry fee. Not because of any economic reasons, its just that the prize table adds to the hoopla. Its another reason to hang out and BS with other shooters and compare notes on the match/stages.
The top shooters/winners do well because they typically practice the most, work the hardest at becoming better and it is well that they are rewarded for their efforts. As many of you who have had the pleasure of ROing "super squads" know, their courtesy and stage reset times areas good as anyone's, usually better. At least that is the case in my limited experience.
I regularly drive a couple of hours to shoot club matches with or without some sort of prizes, mostly not and glad to do it and help as is possible.
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Jan will be here before we know it, time to gear up, practice, try it all out on some deer and be ready to take it all back up to Rockcastle for another round of precision in the wind and weather
Not to mention the new Trooper class competition that has to hump its gear all over the place for 2 1/2 days, the stage is set now we just need all the characters! see ya there in the hills
jc
Shouldn't be a problem Jeff, there never seems to be a shortage of characters up at Rockcastle.
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The IOR is a great scope. Heavy duty and heavy, with super glass.
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With Rockcastles facility and resources, it'd be cool to see some traps activated by steel, something like 3 poppers activating 2 traps each for 3 true pairs, say a crosser, 2 teals one falling forward, the other falling away, then one in and one out hi/lo. Zac could probably make the computer do it, but it'd be easy to rig with trip wires too. It'd be fast and easy to reset.
You must mean just like we did when we shot the Pan Am Shotgun Match last year? Just wait until you shoot LaRue targets with slugs.
I didn't shoot the Pan AM, just thought it'd be fun to mix real clays into a SG match.
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I tried the PRI and couldn't get it to adjust. I now use a JP.
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With Rockcastles facility and resources, it'd be cool to see some traps activated by steel, something like 3 poppers activating 2 traps each for 3 true pairs, say a crosser, 2 teals one falling forward, the other falling away, then one in and one out hi/lo. Zac could probably make the computer do it, but it'd be easy to rig with trip wires too. It'd be fast and easy to reset.
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So, was there a re-zero on one of the rifles sometime during the competition or not? I'm just curious as to what actually happened. No one seems know for sure, or they're not telling.
Its clear that there were only 8 with skin in the game so to speak and I'm happy if they are.