Reloader98

I was kind of thinking about getting some of that grip lotion. Thought it was kind of neat. what do you mean by silicon carbide? Is it silicon carbide grips?

That’s a great idea obsessiveshooter, I don’t have any skate shops around here but I’ll find something at Home Depot.

Hello everyone, I have a CZ TSO I’ve had it for a while, I love it, but I have some smaller hands, so getting a good grip on that gun is a little hard sometimes to do consistently, without some slippage after a a little bit, or sweaty hands. any suggestions for rap around grip tape? I don’t want to spend so much money on new grips, as I’m a broke college student. any good brands that make it for that specific gun, I can only find it for the 75, shadow, or other smaller framed models. if rolls of grip tape like 3m for example are the way to go, what brands are the best for sticking to metal and checkered grips like on the TSO? thanks!

Incorrect COAL in OP, previous seating depth was not 1.160, it was 1.060. WHAT A SURPRISE, I’ve now made my load 1.160 as that is a correct and reasonable seating depth for this load. issue has been resolved, thanks everyone! Mods can close now

Yes sir, it seems that I had made a typo, which made everything FAR more confusing. A typo that made the info sound right? A weird typo to make lol

I see where your coming from vegaspete61. I already kind of figured out the issue. I was loading them at 1.060 instead of 1.160. Very deep and causing a pressure spike. But the issue is fixed now, thanks for the input though.

You know, I have a hammer puller, I never thought about doing that, I’m gonna try it, very good point sir. thanks Anthony

Hello everyone, and thank you glock17open, I’m not shooting any more of the ammo previously loaded, and will pull the bullets, if not just throw them away if it’s dangerous, as I don’t want to be called lefty or one eye. I MADE A ROOKIE MISTAKE, I have fixed the issue, changed overall length to 1.155. They were all plunk tested and passed. I would like to say I screwed up and am lucky to have the help of everyone in this forum and would like to thank everyone for their help and wisdom the NEW loads, loaded at 1.155 will be tested, as they should be FAR safer. This is the load that the previous owner of this gun used, I guess I just misread the COAL in the text, AGAIN, MY BAD GUYS (not yelling, just emphasizing). should I pull bullets to save powder and projectiles or just dispose of the ammo safely? again, big thanks to everyone’s help, and I have, from what I can tell so far, figured out the issue.

Sounds like that’s my mistake I’m making, screwed up the COAL. Well I think that has solved it. I’ll make a new load and go from there

You know, I think I’ve just been doing the seating depth all wrong, I’m gonna make some different loads, at about 1.155 or longer and go from their. I’ve been loading these rounds at 1.060 and 1.070, I was going off the seating depth listed for regular JHP bullets listed in the Hornady loading manual, and other forums with the same issue. I think I’m just WAY off on seating depth, seating way to deep, causing a pressure spike, thus blowing out primers. I’m gonna have to pull some bullets and reload them at a higher length to remedy this issue. Or just load some new ones all together without pulling bullets.

I figured I was doing it right, my bullets would not drop out or move freely after being loaded to about 1.078 or 1.080 as stated earlier. thanks britinusa

What do you think Sarge, 124 gr Montana gold JHP bullets loaded to 1.060, or 1.070, make sense, or way to short?

I did do the bench press test with no real issues. The only thing that happened was the top of the bullet was lightly flattened, but no real change in oal. I have not measured the breschface to barrel hood, but the barrel is tightly fit all around inthe slide.

So I looked in a hornady loading manual, not sure if that’s helpful with this, but for their XTP bullet, a JHP very similar to the my Montana gold 124 JHP, it said 1.060, but typical round now bullets were around the range you were stating. Not sure if that will make a huge difference or not, but mine were not passing the plunk test, (if I’m doing it right) when I loaded then past 1.077 or 1.080.

I did make a typo, thank you dansedlgi, but the COAL IS 1.070, some 1.069, now when I loaded a couple upwards of 1.078 and one of them, 1.082 they would not pass the plunk test, more specifically, they would not move freely in the chamber. I hope I’m not making some horrible newbie mistake but please tell me if I am. Lots of loads from other suggested around the range of 1.055, the Hornady manual for 9mm, for JHP bullets that is, not round nose bullets, is 1.060, I guess it heavily depends on the bullet type, but I’m using Montana gold 124gr JHP bullets.

Thank you sarge

That would be a good idea, but I checked and their all .355, exactly what the box says.

Update two: After talking to some people over the phone like a couple local gunsmiths with competition experience, it may be a mechanical issue. or I just need to tweak the load a little. Of course it could still be the brass, but after trying some nickel FC brass and some Speer brass, I’ve had no luck. so I’ve made the same original load with one minor change. the seating depth is now 1.070” instead of 1.060. Some are varying slightly in seating depth by maybe +\- .001 -.003. hopefully this makes a difference. I plunk tested and measured all of these rounds before I’m going to shoot them. mill leave an update when I can shoot them next, probably tomorrow.

I have the Dillon xl650, it doesn’t have a swaging station, but the brass does seem big in the primer pockets after firing about .1757 on fired cases, sometimes .1759. I also tried FC nickel plated brass and had the same issue.

Okay everyone, status update. the newly loaded ammo, loaded in new star line brass with almost no crimp at all, made no difference, still lots of primers popping out. and sadly, after measuring the primer pockets, which should be .1745 new and unused, we’re all about .175 and .1755, all brand new. after firing, the cases that had primers pop out, and the ones that didn’t, had primer pocket size of about .178-.179, I could drop a primer in with my fingers, after sizing that brass, the issue was still the same. I then tried some nickel plates FC brass, labeled +p+ On the base, I got it from a friend a while back, tried that with the same load, mostly primers did not fall out, except two, or of which had a loos primer pocket going in, so that’s understandable, but the same thing happened to the primer pockets, all way out of spec. I really don’t know what to do anymore

Thank you very much Glock17open, I don’t know if you’ve seen the pictures I linked earlier in the chat, but essentially, primers are popping out of the brand new star line cases, at 6.8 and 6.9 grain of autocomp, and I can’t seem to figure out why. I have changed the level of crimp, which from my reading, was tighter than it’s supposed to be, so I’ve basically taken away all crimp, besides what’s required to remove belling, about .378 and it was at about .375-.376, I’m at the range now, and I’m gonna test that ammo and see how it does. I made 20 rounds, so let’s see what happens! mill be leaving an update soon.

So I tried that, maybe my math is off but I got .380, the only issue is that my cases while belled are .379, maybe cases are not belled enough during seating? Anyway I can’t get to .380 if my belled diameter is only .379, I should note, I’m using the Dillon xl650, with all Dillon carbide pistol dies. I was told by one of their salesman that their dies are “undersized” leaving a weird, semi-hour glass shape to them. Could this be another issue ?

That would be awesome! I’m in Fauquier county area, northern Virginia, how about you?

Thank you Britin, think I may have figured it out, after reading a lengthy article from an engineer and reloader, he pointed out that crimp should be, for 9mm Luger cartridges, only between .378 and .379, my reloads were crimped at about .375 which may have been causing a pressure spike, this makes sense I don’t mean to sound like a newb here but I feel I’m getting inconsistent measurements with my caliper, as far as hand pressure goes, if I press a little harder on the caliper I get a smaller measurement than with light pressure on the caliper while measuring, does this make sense or am I just being to analytical about it? should I always press hard on the caliper to get an absolute measurement or just lightly?

Thank you sir, just tried it, it does not go past the barrel hood, and it does move freely for the most part, it may be a little difficult to move sometimes, but it does move freely. As stated earlier, it may be the brass, I read a website called ballistictools.com with some graphs on primer pocket dimensions, for small pistol/rifle primers it said the minimum diameter for a primer pocket is .1730 and the max is .1745, I measured the primer pockets with my caliper and they read .1745 but if I press harder than usual, it goes to .175 could this be the issue?