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    Bulging at base of 9x19 cases

    in 9mm/38 Caliber

    Posted

    I usually don't comment on the serious subjects- and this is definitely one of them, and anyone is welcome to tell me to shut up if they want, I won't take any offence :goof: First off, I shoot Tanfoglio, which is a different animal, but I have been shooting the little 9x21 cartridge in them for over 15 years, which may as well be 9x19 as far as I am concerned. First I have to say thus far, I have had good luck with Geco brass, and still have a bunch in circulation. I resize all my brass on a single stage, with a standard LEE die and Dillon lube. I really find lubing the case takes alot of stress of of them, and I am getting MANY reloads out of my brass. In Canada, we are under IPSC rules with a 160 PF. I try to keep my PF between 165-168 in warm weather. I will admit, that I have had a few mishaps with cases, cracked/split and stuck ones in the chamber. I find Tanfoglio pattern barrels support the case well, and even when I had split cases there was NEVER any bulging of the case. When I had stuck brass, I was running a lighter than normal recoil spring and was told at the time (back in the 175PF days) my gun was still bleeding off alot of pressure as it was unlocking and caused me to get partially extracted stuck cases in the chamber, as where it was unlocking, the breech of the gun was giving the case room to expand. Call me a liar, but I put a heavier spring back in, and with same ammo, gun started working properly again. Brass at the time was CP+P+ which was VERY hard brass. I find since I added ports to my barrel, my gun recoils harder, so if the recoil impulse is harder, likely the unlocking process could be faster, along with faster slide speed? Pending on the specific load, I use between 10-12 lb springs in both open guns and will not go lighter with major PF ammo. I would really like to see you step up your spring weight to keep your gun locked up and see what happens, but I would stay away with your current ammo until I figured it out. Factory ammo, etc.. definitely wouldn't give you the pressure signs you are experience, obviously because you are talking way less case pressure. I might deserve to get slapped for talking about the spring weight and keeping the gun locked up, but I garantee you, my gun wouldn't cycle if I duplicated factory ammo loads, and you did this with the same spring you use for major loads? I think there is a timing issue, the gun is unlocking while you still have alot of pressure causing the bulges, there is no way any of your blown cases would even come close to fitting in any of my five or six barrels I have. I would try different ammo at the same PF and up the spring weight just for kicks, the heavier spring I can't see hurting anything. I must also mention that at the current PF I load at, I am loading to 1.145-1.150", small rifle primers, and my brass looks excellent. Good luck, I hope you get it figured out.

    While I understand this is a 9x19 issue,

    I also have been shooting 9x21 since 1991.

    I think Jody is on the money here as far a recoil springs & P9 types.

    George Huening marketed recoil springs for TZ/P9 type pistols that were very heavy indeed, but they made the pistols work.

    I'm no engineer, but I do stay at Holiday Inns.

    In this case, given the facts described, the load/ barrel combination is the likely issue.

    All those holes combined with the attempt to stay at major, can not be good.

    While re-springing & assuring the load is correct spec (velocity chrimp, etc) maybe a short term fix, either try a different load or rebarrel.

    I have loaded thousands of 9x21 long & short (9MM OVAL) heavy bullets, 147 to light bullets 115 to 180PF and have never seen cases look like the ones here.

    It looks like an accident waiting to happen again!

    No need to repeat history, the 38 super guys went through "super face" many years ago.................

    No need to try to make a child safe hand grenade :wacko:

    Primers & bullets, How much is enough?

    in Miscellaneous Topics That Do Not Fit in Any Other Forum

    Posted

    Lord help me ! :bow:

    Feeling insecure & out of balance,

    (since I'm too far ahead on bullets, and they ain't good for nothing without primers)

    I stopped at a little country gun shop.

    I picked up 7000 primers.

    5000 WSP $25 (white box, been there a while, I guess)

    2000 CCI small rifle 27.95 (they were mixed in with the large pistol)

    it was obvious, My buddy Lopez was there first...........

    not a WSR in sight!

    I'm such a pig :blush:

    Should I buy a Dillon 550?

    in General Reloading

    Posted

    In a perfect world, we would all have a 1050 with a bullet feeder for every caliber we shoot! :rolleyes:

    For me,

    It is shooting I enjoy and reloading is just a means to that end.

    My free time is valuable, so multiple machines make the most sense for me.

    Many love to reload as much as shoot, and that is great also.

    Should I buy a Dillon 550?

    in General Reloading

    Posted · Edited by 9x21

    I am lazy and frigen hate switching things around. I would rather just have everything setup and ready to go when I need it.

    That's exactly why I think the SQDeal is a perfect second or third machine.

    Nobody hates to reload more than me, so that's why I have so much stuff.

    The SQDeals are easy to use, auto index (very impotant, if you never loaded on a 550) and produce quality bullets at a decent rate.

    The only thing I hate more than reloading is getting too far ahead on loaded ammo.

    Tastes, pistols, and trends change. I have ammo cans full of stuff I got too far ahead on, and don't use anymore.

    I'll use it up eventually, just pinking.

    I have found good used SQD's for under $300. ( a new one is 360ish I think)

    It's a real time saver when I get a whim to shoot something like ICORE or IDPA revo, some times .38 super ESP, etc, etc...

    Besides, both my 1050's are set up for 9x21, one for major, one for minor.

    It's just too much work to change the powder measure :goof:

    Should I buy a Dillon 550?

    in General Reloading

    Posted · Edited by 9x21

    or

    You can do what I did, collect some new or used square deals for those odd ball, misc. calibers......

    no fuss, no muss, set & forget it.

    Let's see, I got one for .45, .40, 38 Super, 9MM, .38spl, and I just set one up for .38 long colt.

    It is just to hard to switch stuff around..... B)

    Primers & bullets, How much is enough?

    in Miscellaneous Topics That Do Not Fit in Any Other Forum

    Posted

    So, as I read & see that no one can get enough components for reloading,

    I started to wonder?

    How much is enough and how far ahead do we need to be? :surprise:

    I have never thought myself a pig nor hoarder, but after taking inventory today....

    It looks like I may be. <_<

    After a quick inventory and estimate of how many matches I'll likely shoot a year (USPSA, IDPA & ICORE),

    it would seem that I'm 7 years ahead on heads and 4 1/2 years on primers.

    Now, before you rush to judgement, much of this stuff has been sitting on the bench for years, but it is time to "use it up".

    I even counted the lead & old CP bullets! :unsure:

    (heck, I still have chrome Winchester primers in white boxes!)

    So, now I know how much stuff I have, I'll do my part and NOT order anymore for a while.................................

    unless of course Powder Valley comes back into stock! :roflol:

    Just HOW FAR AHEAD ARE YOU? :devil:

    USPSA in CT

    in USPSA/IPSC Shooting

    Posted · Edited by 9x21

    I'm planning to move up there this Spring. Are there any registration requirements for my handguns? I am correct in saying there is not a 10-rd limitation like Massachusetts? Funny that I wasn't interested in guns at all when I left to join the military, now coming back I'm going to have quite a few pistols coming with me!

    Kinda disappointing there aren't any USPSA clubs in CT though...is USPSA just not popular up there like down here in the south?

    Firearm laws are still liberal in CT.

    Permit required for carry.

    No mag issues for now, no problem with obtaining reloading components.

    While there is no current USPSA club, we're a small state and you can get to a club in MA, RI, NY or NJ (sorry Jim) about in max of two hours or less.

    You can shoot just about every Sunday April through Nov. There are a few matches inside in the winter.

    There are plenty of IDPA matches within reach also.

    2009 Area 7

    in Match Announcements - Pistol Only - USPSA, IPSC & Misc.

    Posted · Edited by 9x21

    Having shot the Miller (and later S&W) invitationals from 1989 till the end, I can't wait to get back to Fulton & see Rosa again!

    This club put on the big show in the East back in the day.................usually a few weeks prior to the Nationals. :bow:

    The TGO, Burner, Team S&W all were in attendance.

    I'm sure that those who were there (& still able), will be back.. :wub:

    I hope the Club house still sells BEER! (AFTER shooting, of course!)

    Revolver Participation at Matches

    in Revolver Forum

    Posted · Edited by 9x21

    Thanks to Craig Buckland,

    I just started last year,

    ICORE & IDPA are most fun so far................ICORE being the better of the two for me.

    I will likely shoot once on month (round gun) if matches are available ICORE & IDPA

    I'll shoot my first major with a revo next month (S&W Winter Nationals), then see how it goes....

    IDPA, Steel, ICORE seem best suited to me, USPSA not so much.

    Why do you like to compete in the revolver divisions?

    It is a lot of fun if, it doesn't turn into a reloading contest,

    it is a challenge,

    and

    mostly to try to beat BUCKLAND of course! :D

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