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CZ Shadow 2
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13 hours ago, MoRivera said:I can miss any target with any gun, any trigger, and any load. Go 'head....dare me.
Finally, someone with a sense of humour around this place! What about at any distance? Figure you’re good enough to miss at the one yard line?
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CZ Shadow 2
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14 hours ago, slavex said:CZ sends the 2 out with multiple springs, but, like the Shadow, they are sending them out with springs that will fire the worst of the worst duty ammo. Swapping the springs out for lighter ones is absolutely in keeping with the intent of Production division as almost all the manufacturers had lighter ones available from them, the factory.
I’ve shot the worst of the worst CCI Blazer Brass 124gn, Barnaul 115gn, and even some of my own questionable underpowered hand loads and the Shadow 2 eats up everything. I’m still running the exact same spring the gun shipped with.
PS. See you in Kamloops!
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CZ Shadow 2
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I can hear the cackling from down the street.
O.k. Yes, it would be hard to police, which is unfortunate. However, let’s look at this from a different perspective.
Take two equally ranked A classified shooters. Both are mentally and physically on top of their game. Practice regularly, shoot the stages identically, etc. etc. etc. One is shooting a stock production gun (CZ Shadow 2) with a factory trigger job, usually a 9 pound D/A trigger pull, the other is shooting a production gun (CZ Shadow 2) with a 5 pound D/A trigger pull and adjusted springs so that the recoil is dampened to the point that it’s still allowing the gun to cycle properly but felt recoil is significantly reduced. Who has the advantage?
So my point is that basically it boils down to who is sporting the best trigger job and allowable internal modifications. If I’m not mistaken, IPSC (USPSA) before the split in the early days was really driven by the OPEN DIVISION. The saying “if it wins on Sunday, it sells on Monday” is as true with the early IPSC as it was for NASCAR. The PRODUCTION DIVISION arose after IDPA got started. Bill Wilson (the undisputed King of Trigger mods) took his idea for a STOCK DIVISION in IPSC - no trigger jobs, etc and it was turned aside out of hand. Him and Ken Hackathron and others then started IDPA and the rest is history.
I shoot both IPSC and IDPA. If I’m going to be truthful, I think IDPA is WAY harder than IPSC. The stages are more complex, shooting the stage is more complex and the targets are more difficult because you don’t have those overly generous elongated A zones that work with the muzzle flip allowing you to shoot the targets must faster than you’re probably capable of shooting without incurring C and D hits or even Mikes.
Policing it would be as simple as testing the trigger during the chrono stage. Obviously chronoing ammunition is a big deal because heaven forbid someone is shooting a Qualifier with a sub 125PF making their handgun the equivalent of a .22. I know because I test loaded to 120PF once just see if there was a difference and there most certainly is. Of course the gun barely cycles, but still, it does what it’s supposed to and that is shoot lead down range.
Not that long ago I almost beat the club’s top IPSC shooter with his CZ TSO and pricy trigger job during a head to head Steel Match. I didn’t win because I had a major brain fart and didn’t load to capacity and had to reload to shoot the stopper. He got me on the reload.
My opinion on trigger jobs and modifications to Production handguns remains unchanged..
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CZ Shadow 2
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I’m setting myself up for a verbal beat down here,....that’s ok, bring it.
In my opinion, unless you are shooting the gun the way it was released from the factory, wait for it.......it is no longer a Production hand gun. CZ did not release the Shadow 2 with an 11lb or whatever recoil spring, or lighter/heavier hammer springs, or maybe they did, don’t know, don’t care because I am shooting both my CZ Shadow 2 and my optic ready CZ Shadow 2 as they were when I first unboxed them, with the exception of putting an optic on the OR version and putting purple CZ Shadow 2 grips on the OR. I am sick and tired of the first thing out of most people’s mouth is “Get a trigger job!, do this, do that...”
How about YOU try shooting a stock pistol and see how you do? I’d love to see IPSC remove allowing any and all modifications for the Production or Production optics division. I can totally afford the most expensive finely tuned trigger job on both my pistols but I refuse to, because that pretty much amounts to cheating in my opinion. OK, now bring the defensive beat down on me, justifying why you need to take a perfectly good Production hand gun and modify it so that you can compensate for your lack of skill.
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2 hours ago, JDIllon said:
What is the Rapture?>?
LOL, oh boy...., you need to look that up with a Google Search.
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20 hours ago, JDIllon said:
I was going to mill my Shadow2, but decided to go a different way. Here is a picture of a Accu-Shadow with a plate and a 6moa Venom. This is a great setup. As you can see, it comes in at 43.55oz. and really holsters well. I was originally going to have it milled. But after I got it, decided that it was just to nice to start cutting thing up. I love this setup and I can go back to stock if I want to. Just my .02 JD
Nice set up! There’s just no such thing as a bad CZ, except maybe their 1911 and that’s probably why they don’t make it anymore.
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On 4/18/2018 at 4:21 PM, wtturn said:
Milling a shadow 2 is a travesty.
LOL, now that I own an Optic Ready Shadow 2, I would have to agree with you. But having embraced shooting optics I could see how people would be tempted to go to any lengths to stick an optic on a Shadow 2. I probably would have as well. For those shooters in the USA that are waiting....be patient, the rapture is coming.
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2 hours ago, kmanick said:
Yes I had to get specific screws to mount my venom onto the plate from the CZC shop. Stock bolts were too short.
I'll have to check under the Styrofoam to see if I even have that Glock MOS packet
FYI I also needed a shim to get the back of the optic to come up a bit, I out of elevation adjustment. with the shim on this now it's dead on at 35 feet.
isn't it great though now that it's on there.I love mine 6MOA target acquisition is so quick. I have had to do only very minor re-zero even after shooting 3000 rounds with it on there. It's holds zero quite well
Thank you for the heads up on the elevation! I’ll watch out for that. I wonder if the CZ made baseplate will address that issue of elevation. Hopefully. The bolts weren’t actually longer that I can recall, but they were definitely a smaller diameter than the bolts in the styrofoam. I was tempted to toss them when I first saw the package because I don’t own any Glock products. It sounds like your plate was milled to accept the larger 3.50 torx bolts though. How deep is your CZC plate?
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On 1/23/2019 at 5:02 PM, YVK said:
Thanks, that's good news.
You’re welcome! I’m stoked about it as well, I’m making sure I always bring both my S2’s, that way if a lower ends up failing on me prematurely during a match, etc, etc, etc, etc, I have a backup. The only thing I won’t be able to swap is the slide, as they are for different divisions.
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4 hours ago, vrwm said:3 hours ago, MsDV8 said:
It’s been that kind of a week.
With a mag 2lb-14.7oz or 1.7oz too heavy for IDPA.
IPSC does not have weight restrictions, thankfully. I guess the thing with IDPA’s premise of conceal carry, does someone realistically want to be schlepping around nearly 3 pounds all day long? So maybe that’s why they cap it.
I looked online and there is nothing available in the US yet, unless you’re some kind of fortunate gun reviewer. I don’t think the regular S2’s are available at all in California. Not on the approved list.
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Brain Fart central
So people that are going to be shooting the S2 with a Vortex Venom optic take note. DO NOT throw away the bolts in the bag with a sticker that says GLOCK MOS. You’ll need these smaller bolts to attach the optic to the adapter plate. The adapter plate will not take the Torx 10 bolts that the optic comes with and is meant to be secured with. All I saw was GLOCK and the first thought that crossed my mind was a picture of icicles and a normally fiery place one might want to avoid.
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In this corner, weighing at a burly 2 lbs, 11.6 ounces.........
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5 hours ago, shakin_bakin said:
So, as I see it. You have to loose the difference in weight of a mag and an optic and a plate...
17 round mecgar mag, nickel plated. grams spring and follower. hennings basepad. 3.90 ounces.
Venom is a fairly light optic, I believe its .8oz... so that's 4.7oz's not counting the plate... You could always try and use the lightest mags/followers you can find. That's a lot of weight to loose from bolt on parts. I dont see it happening without some kind of lightening of the slide.
Yeah, I don’t think shooting the CZ Shadow with or without an optic is going to be happening for me with IDPA, but I am looking forward to receiving the CZ P10F OR which will be my IDPA carry optic pistol.
I’m sure you guys’ll be seeing them start to materialize down in your neck of the woods this year. They can’t seem to keep them in stock anywhere in Canada, it’s crazy how popular they are.
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17 minutes ago, shakin_bakin said:
HAHA I have no idea what 20 Portuguese Escudo's weighs but I like the comparison!
Yes that was for Carry Optics Only to help make weight. And the weight limit I was referencing was USPSA 45.00oz. Sorry, I should of been more clear.
The LOK grips should give you about .7 oz's back, the guide rod would give you about .6 oz's back. If your saying your coming in at 47.8 OZ with rear sight removed thats pretty heavy. I think a discussion about two months ago we were talking that it was going to weigh about 46.8OZ....
Can you weigh it with rear sight removed and without a mag? @rowdyb has weighed the mag's for me already so we could add up the weight, and subtract what we know the other items weight to get a pretty close idea of how much weight would have to be milled or if not. Currently sounds like there is no way it would make the 45oz USPSA weight requirement without lightening of the slide of some sorts.
Also, I'm extremely jealous you have them in Canada already...
I figured you were talking USPSA Carry Optics. IDPA Carry Optics would be the Canadian equivalent. Where it gets confusing is that USPSA is also the equivalent to IPSC everywhere else, yes?
LOL, thanks for liking my “fair chunk of change” metaphor. That’s all the regional and foreign currency I had on hand.
Rear sight removed, no mag is 41.5 oz. I didn’t include the adaptor plate, in the original weigh in of 47.8 oz because I don’t have that yet, it’s arriving tomorrow, so that’ll add a bit more weight yet. But the 47.8 included everything else, the gun itself, minus the rear sight, the optic and the empty mag. So, with the rear sight removed, the gun and a mag weighs in at 44.6 oz. I could just train myself to shoot without sights,......which are vastly over-rated
(Sage Dynamics seems to make it look doable).
The IDPA shooters here will s#!t a brick if I show up to a match with a weight legal Shadow 2. OMG.
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3 hours ago, shakin_bakin said:
Yes and no. Yes its on the production gun list so it can be used. No, right out of the box its not legal cause it doesnt make weight. However, there are several posts in the CZ section that will help you make weight. Couple real quick that will help you get there are:
1) ultralight LOK Grips and the skinny mag release
2) Cajun's Acetal guide rod to replace the steel one
3) dont use a DPP, use a lighter optic like the venom
4) this list is not all inclusive, and you might have to get the slide lightened a little, but this might get you close.
5) if you want to use extended mags (who wouldnt in CO?) you'll almost certainly need to get the slide lightened to make weight (henning and CZC tend to be the lightest mag extensions at this time with TTI coming in at a close 3rd... I believe only about 8 grams difference)
This recommendation is strictly for Carry Optics right? Which would fall under IDPA in Canada I guess.. I would love to be able to shoot the Shadow in IDPA. Right now without the mounting plate (which I don’t have yet) and rear sight removed is weighing in at 47.8 oz (making it 2.8 oz over the 45 oz max). I just weighed out 2.8 ounces and it feels like a fair chunk of change. Like 3 Canadian Twoonies, 2 Canadian Loonies, a Canadian nickel, a US Quarter, 20 Portuguese Escudos, 200 Mexican Pesos, 2 British Pence, 100 Spanish PTAS, and 1 Deutschmark = 2.8 oz (fair chunk of change).
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1 hour ago, slavex said:
I would love to see a way of mounting directly to the slide without a plate.
That would be preferential. My Sig Romeo 1 mounts directly to the Sig X5, but unless CZ starts making it’s own proprietary RDS, then you would end up with a slide that looks like it got hit with a shot gun blast trying to fit every one else’s optic hole pattern.
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1 hour ago, avastcosmicarena said:
Is the Optic Ready Shadow 2 legal in USPSA Carry Optics?
Is USPSA comparable to IPSC or is it like IDPA? If you’re referring to IDPA, which has a Carry Optics Division then the answer is no. But if USPSA is like IPSC, then yes, it falls under Production Optics and it’s legal. Unless you start pimping it out even more, then it goes into Open.
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2 hours ago, Hooked said:
Mine is without a front sight anymore as well. I had a spare, low front sight from my S1 that I ground down to the base.
Sounds like mine is coming off too now.
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2 hours ago, kmanick said:
I got a 2nd slide and had CZC mill it and lighten ti. I also have the Venom 6MOA on mine, I love it, so effortless to shoot.
I ended up removing the FO from my front sight as it was distracting me. I only use the CO slide for competition and I found that I'm much faster without a front sight on there.
good luck with it and Enjoy the hell out of it
Interesting, I was thinking of removing the fiber optic as well. I find it a distraction on the X5 too. Was removing the front sight fairly straight forward or should I take it to a gunsmith?
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23 minutes ago, Hooked said:
I’ve had mine since just before Christmas and the round count is up around 1200 now. It’s a great improvement over my regular S2 with the Henning mount and the same DPP. With the RDS being just a few mm closer to the bore axis has made all the difference. Picking up and tracking the dot is almost instant and automatic now.
Sweet rig! I’ll post a photo of mine when I get the plate on and the optic mounted (correctly),
Thanks for sharing your insights!
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43 minutes ago, arkadi said:
We usually orient dots in opposite direction?
Yes, usually I do as well. Except in this case, lol.
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2 minutes ago, cjmill87 said:
No judgement at all, that looks like a sweet new blaster! Enjoy it!
LOL, thanks! If enough people think I’m an idiot, I might actually end with a viral video, woo hoo! Hahah.
Looking forward to seeing how it stacks up to the Shadow 2 shooting at my duelling tree.
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30 minutes ago, cjmill87 said:
"Well that red dot needs some adjustment" - Yes definitely, it needs to be turned around to face the other way!
HAHAHA!! OMG is my face red! And worse yet, this isn’t the first optic I’ve installed. HAHHA! Oh well, I’m not reshooting the video, you guys will have to live with my non-brunette moment. I can claim I was overwhelmed by the surreality of actually having this baby in my hot little hands finally!
CZ Shadow 2
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Posted · Edited by MsDV8
I reviewed the 2017 IPSC BC Provincials and Hwansik Kim, a fairly new shooter at the time, came out of nowhere and literally annihilated the competition. He won overall by over 100 points and his next closest competitor in his Division shooting Production, was 30% away. Of course he shoots a Walther PPQ Match which is a striker fired pistol with a light trigger pull. But THERE is some talent for you.
Hey... you remind me of my IDPA tutour. He’s always coming up with these awesome fun facts and I can honestly say he helping me evolve into a thinking shooter under his excellent tutelage and consequently, a better shooter. I think so anyways. Except when I have a brain fart and fail to load to division capacity.
Alpha males,....
Don’t get me started.