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1 minute ago, MHicks said:
It would be more interesting to me somehow if they could show the hits on target or at least a couple of the most difficult targets.
I saw a youtube video awhile back where a guy had a small colored triangle show up on the target as he shot in the approximate location of the hit. Green triangle for A, Yellow for C. That type of thing. It was really well done and looked cool as could be. Even on my phone it was clear.
Unfortunately, I didn't subscribe and was late to my next meeting so I forgot about it until I read your post.
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18 minutes ago, Joe4d said:
They get it online and many go straight to the trash.
My USPSA magazine came in yesterday and I thumbed through it then to the trash. I saw all the polls and graphics on the website already. The magazine is of absolutely no use to someone engaged.
However, for those that don't stay up to date or don't read social media the magazine may be a good thing to leave by the toilet and flip through to inspire them to go shoot that weekend. -
Just now, IHAVEGAS said:
I would have more faith in USPSA holding on to single stack than L10.
I think that no matter what the participation level is that Single Stack and Revolver should always remain a division. Those are the two most iconic pistol types ever. The historic movement from the introduction of each of those is undeniable and they set the foundational steps for everything else.
Everything else can switch and change and everything until the Sun explodes and I don't really care. I like hicap optic 9mm whether it is CO or LO. But that doesn't change my mind on the importance of keeping the original foundations of pistols. Production is just a name. No-one outside the sport truly understands if it is production or what it is until it is explained. Limited is the same. But you say revolver and for the most part it is understood you shoot a wheel gun even if the caliber and reload equipment is far from the original Colt that made us all equal. Single Stack is just a name but mention 1911 and everyone understands unless they never had a gun before. I never heard of a 2011 until USPSA and most others didn't understand it when it was mentioned in John Wick but most gun owners knew what the Kimber was when it was just presented.
Ok... going off on a tangent.
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31 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said:
The people who take the time to answer the surveys are probably the same people who take the time to vote and actually care about what's going on with in the organization. If people can't be bothered to do those things and just want to shoot then they can shoot based on what those of who care decide.
^^^This^^^
I agree.
A lot of people complain and point to low turnout but nobody can read minds. The best that can be done is to get the feedback from those who care enough to engage.
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22 minutes ago, RIIID said:
The number people should be talking about is the number of people who actually took the survey. If the bod uses any of these numbers to change things would be totally irresponsible.
Rich
Why is that? Because of the percentage of those that took the survey vs members is low?
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1 hour ago, Sarge said:
Those critical of the organization are now saying the delay is a ploy to get people to dump money into longer memberships etc
I don't believe it is possible to get 9 people to be that coordinated and manipulative and none on the board are as smart and manipulative enough to pull that off (not saying that derogatory but it takes a special type of person to pull that con and get people to go along).
I think this was a poorly thought out reaction to try and fix some finance issues and went a step too far.
I am happy that they did put in a "notice" period after all the pushback. Dues going up was due (no pun intended). $65 a year is less than I paid at Chili's for my wife and family last week. -
1 hour ago, Racinready300ex said:
At the end of the day people want a easy button. That's all.
Agreed... I fall into that category. It's a hobby for me so I want it to be just challenging enough to leave me with something to work on and achieve but not so difficult that I grumble spending money on it. I don't like irons and I don't like locap so the changes since 2019 have all kept me entertained.
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51 minutes ago, Climbhard said:
Yes, Im just a bitter old man shooting Ltd major.
But you are not wrong.
I'm saying that as someone who loves hicap and red dot. It's a hobby and I don't work hard at it but in it's current form it is a lot of fun for me.
You're still not wrong.
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3 minutes ago, Codename46 said:
I will continue to vote YML haha
I will.
One thing I am interested in if YML wins is if LO will recuse himself regarding the RO vote for YML. Since LO would be in a position at that point to get the Presidency if the vote goes against YML there is a conflict of interest and if LO doesn't recuse himself I think that would be bad form at the very least.
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6 hours ago, Racinready300ex said:
The only logical choice is CO and that's why it's exploding in popularity. That doesn't mean that's really what they want to shoot.
I understand your point but disagree, at least from my perspective and what I have discussed with others (even though that isn't a scientific survey).
I went to CO from Limited when Limited was the most popular and if it wasn't for CO I would have quit because I didn't enjoy it. I liked the optic and having just as many rounds.
I never worried how competitive I was (and I'm not), I always have been in it for fun and when I wasn't having fun I wanted to quit.
Since going CO I became an RO, help with my local club, helped at Sectionals and always look to help new shooters feel welcome and comfortable. I do 3-4 matches a month as much as I can even though it is difficult with my work and family to get out that often.
I shot Limited last year once and then remembered I hate irons, even with Rx glasses.
I don't like the cost of 40 but never minded shooting it otherwise. If it wasn't for Limited I never would have owned a 40 though. It seems the rules favoring major in Limited force that choice more than CO rules force that.
A lot of people just love the dot and hicap. Shooting cheap 9mm makes it easier to shoot more often. It isn't what we feel we have to shoot. I felt I had to shoot 40 in limited.
I do agree the rules seem to favor CO and LO now but I don't think people were pushed to CO because of that.
YMMV
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On 7/19/2023 at 3:21 PM, Racinready300ex said:
I know we like to think irons are dead because of the circles we run in, but really in the outside world they're alive and well.
My .02 cents... In the outside world most guns get less than 1,000 rounds through it in it's lifetime
Maybe more but anecdotally most gun owners rarely shoot. I can throw a rock in my neighborhood and hit a gun owner and even have a guy with his FFL less than 1/2 mile from me. None of them even go to the range once a year.
Those that do shoot and want to complete end up buying what they enjoy shooting the most after getting a taste which in USPSA seems to be hicap optic guns.
I am not sure that what sells to the average consumer translates to what sells for competition.
There should still be a division for off the shelf iron hicap new shooters and winder lickers but it's low turnout or lack of consistent participation shouldn't be seen as trend setting as it should be expected to go up and down or vary by location based on new shooters.
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57 minutes ago, shred said:
I wonder how much of the YML vote was a FU to the BOD by members that have no problem with the president not being a certified RO?
It definitely should be seen as a message from members as to what they thought of YML being removed.
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Where at in SC?
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56 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said:
The A8 election wasn't surprising, and it seems to me like Ben Berry is probably winning A6. I'm cool with that.
YML being the front runner for President seems odd. I thought he didn't get his RO certification back and that's why he's not president now. Can he even become president if he wins?
He can run without RO cert but has to have it to take office and the BOD can vote to reinstate or allow him to get RO cert by Dec 31 if I understand the situation correctly.
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1 hour ago, Racinready300ex said:
Wrong game
Ooof. Apologies.
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12 hours ago, IVC said:
I see too much worrying about divisions with just a few shooters. This is unwarranted because people mostly look at the overall standings anyway.
I agree.
I also come from a hobby that had a class for all sorts of ages, equipment, etc. It drew people in.
The serious competitors competed against the top talent in their preferred class. Other nobodies like myself just competed in multiple places hoping for a $5 wood plaque It drove up participation.
One thing about our nobodies who have more enthusiasm than talent... we get involved and help. Focusing too narrowly on competitive equity and worrying about what the top 5% are going to spend money on in an "arms race."
Those that don't like a division won't shoot it.
I get the desire to keep things controlled and not get carried away with things but in the end this is fun and a hobby that very very few make money at. Find ways to make it more fun even if you have a rainbow division that only allows people dressed as Unicorns to compete. -
15 hours ago, louu said:
Really, who the f*#k cares? It's a day out of the house with your buddies shooting guns and mouths. Have fun and don't be a f*#kin Fudd. People take time away from the family to volunteer and shooting this stuff, don't ruin someone's day by complaining about their work.
Spot on!
I am not going to ever get Master class and may be C class forever (but have delusions of grandeur I may be a high B class one day) but I am a good ambassador and bring good people up to speed who do go on to be great shooters.
Whether we have short accuracy stages with little movement or hose fests (which I absolutely love sometimes) doesn't matter. The sport has grown and evolved. Our stewardship of the sport and the competitors should as well and always towards the positive. -
9 minutes ago, Maximis228 said:
I can dislike both the org... and the howler monkeys. Crazy... I know...
I trust my home club, a few local MDs, RM's and my Section Coordinator... Outside of that I'm right there with you.
It's a non-profit though and I have never seen or been a part of one that didn't have issues.
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17 minutes ago, RJH said:
I might shoot it if it was a thing and then again I might not, but I don't think it'd be a bad thing especially since production, single stack, l10, revolver are all dead and limited seems to be struggling,
I have some 40 to shoot up and am thinking of shooting Limited here and there over the winter but when I have in the past I have shot A fudgecicle nobody but a few crayon chewers and winder likkers want b/c I have more ammo. I don't want to invest in 40 even though I can load it. I just put a 9mm barrel in my plastic gun and shoot minor instead.
I also want to say A fudgecicle nobody but a few crayon chewers and winder likkers want as much as possible b/c I enjoy the winder licker comment that it is replaced with. A fudgecicle nobody but a few crayon chewers and winder likkers want for the win! -
1 hour ago, konkapot said:
Also odd that so many join but then never shoot a match. I was surprised at that.
That doesn't surprise me as much. I'm a member of IDPA and GSSF and only shot one official match of each. Shot a few outlaw IDPA indoors but focus mostly on USPSA and PCSL. I join a lot of other orgs to support them and for when I get a hair to shoot one.
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9 hours ago, Joe4d said:
Then we wonder why they dont come back or dont join the org
I have dealt with a lot of new shooters lately. I'd say of the 15 or so I have met at a match about 5 or 6 have gone on to shoot more matches and a couple have become members for classification.
Small sample but compare that locally the amount of tenured members who have let their membership lapse but still shoot locals and anecdotally from what I see we are losing more members than we are gaining. They still shoot just not as much.
I wonder not only why new people don't come back and don't join but also what is turning tenured members away?
Is it time to add Practical Competition Shooting League to the USPSA/IDPA forums?
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Our club has a 4 stage monthly night PCSL match. It is my favorite match to shoot. Mostly because of the action steel stages but also the K zone hit and some options on stages where you may not want to have to reload.
If I had to choose between USPSA and PCSL I would choose PCSL every time. I admit the MD and club had a lot to do with it too.