Also keep in mind, reloading is fun but sometimes very perplexing. Your gun might just simply not like those bullets. Or the oal with those bullets. Or your powder with those bullets. Or your crimp with the bullets. Weight of the bullets. I guess my point is there are a ton of variables. In my testing when I changed oal by a mere 1/1000th my groups would tighten or loosen AND move from one place to another on the target such as 3 oclock, 10 oclock etc. I probably would loosen up the crimp a little and try again. Then I would start making them longer and shorter, add or drop powder as needed and keep testing. If they don't eventually start grouping I think the gun don't like them.
Thank you. I will try all those things. I am also going to try montana gold. I hear that they should be better for the velocities that I am trying to reach to make major pf. Thank you all for the input.