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On my Beretta:
not that weird:
- Had a baseplate break and all the rounds puked out the bottom
quite weird:
-Had the lever break on top of the frame that actually moves the sear allowing the pistol to decock. Totally locked up the [loaded] pistol and took a while to clear.
rvb
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Great idea!
Would provide an oportunity at all matches to say "thank you!" to all vets.
rvb
(not a vet)
ps. THANK YOU to all vets!
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couple of questions for you guys using it....
1) par time ... is this like the PACT ads where you can set a par-time buzzer to go off some time after a certain shot number (like 1.8 sec after the 6th shot)?
2) the auxillary jack ... says it emits 5V DC w/ the buzzer so that doesn't sound like it'd work w/ headphones. is there some way to practice w/ headphones or something?
thanks! I'm close to ordering one but still deciding what to get. I'd like a little more flexibility than my PACT Club III offers (though it's been great getting me this far).
rvb
ps. let me ask the question another way ... what does the PACT MkIVXP have that the CED 7000 doesn't??? (not incl chrono, I already have a chrono).
rvb
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"As far as what rvb said, well...at least he admits to being an A-hole, on the forum anyway. . . . avoid him."
Since people like to pick-out what they want for reference quotes, I'll mention I did state "only once or twice EVER... " over many years of so'ing have I done this. Some time the cheaters (round dumpers) are freakin obvious, especially when they cant keep their mouths shut about it before they shoot. Electronic muffs can pick up people saying "Gee, if I put 3 rounds in that target I'll be at SL and can save a lot of time on the second array of targets" or something similar. Is there something wrong with letting people know that you know they are cheating, and it will not be tollerated? I COULD have given FTDRs in those cases and made it stick. I made the comment about myself being an a-hole, but it was supposed to be an attempt to keep the thread light-hearted (humor doesn't always convey over the www). If calling people out on cheating makes me an A-hole, then what does that make the cheaters?
If you ask around here, I think [hope] you'll hear the exact oposite about my reputation...
Don't like the rules? Tough. Don't play the game. Or cheat. But don't whine if people call you out on it if you do.
Pick any other sport on the planet... football? baseball? soccer? Think the refs don't comment to the players "I see that kind of play again and you'll get a [penalty/card/etc]". Think is has the same effect on the player's play as me saying to a shooter "boy that looked round dumping to me." As ROs you've never told someone what they were doing was against the rules and that you could ding them for it (not some newbie who didn't know, but someone who DID know better)? I would wager I'm what I'm saying is no different than how 90% of you all would RO in similar circumstances (the other 10% being those who'd FTDR). I'm 100% sure it didn't come accross right on the www. This is why I like to lurk.
Keep it in perspective, people. I have nothing more to add.
rvb
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"Am I risking a FTDR by taking that one extra shot? "
YES. There are FTDR happy ROs. Now if I'm RO'ing a single stage and can't see you doing it over and over, I personally won't give it, but I *might* try to scare the crap out of you that I would depending on how obvious it is... get you all flustered... throw off your game. My thinking is the rule is fubar and speed loads should be legal, but it's a rule! If you're clean and fast and fire that extra shot and have that 'anybody see that' look on your face, I'm gonna make you sweat. May even call over the MD knowing he'll throw it out. Only upper-upper shooters will recognize my "game" and not sweat it. But that's just me, I'm an A-hole. Once, after the shooter left the stage, I called the MD and had him rattle a cage by saying "someone claims you were round dumping... don't let it happen again..." Don't get me wrong I don't do it everytime I see an extra shot... only once or twice EVER... but when an shooter has 4 pairs of -0s and puts in an extra -0 (and there's a *definate* advantage to going to SL), I like to rattle cages, usually in a good natured way (something like "how conveniant you thought you missed over there!"). Sometimes there's more to RO'ing than black and white.
RWR/tacs can be faster than dumping depending on how far or where you have to move... taking the extra shot may cost you 0.15-1.5 (depending on your level) before you can begin your reload and movement. If you have to switch sides of a baricade, you have time to save the split on that shot, do the RWR, and be ready on the other side.
On a personal note, ask yourself what you're cheating for.... There's no money. Unless you're capable of winning multiple major matches you're not going to make a name for yourself (and the big "names" have enough eyes on them they are real carefull about ftdrs). If you're the kind of person who has to cheat (face it, that's what round dumping is, whether you like the rules or not) for a cheap trophy, then you deserve an FTDR. That and a reputation as a cheater. That's what the rule is for. Note I'm not saying "gamer," a gamer is one who looks for advantages WITHIN the rules. A cheater looks for ways to BREAK the rules and not get caught. If you don't LIKE the rules (I'm the first to admit there are many that I don't like) you can either deal with it or petition HQ to make changes.
/rant off/
rvb
ps. I've never given an FTDR.
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Wow, lots of replies. First, I realize based on the responses I may have come off harsh. I did NOT intend that!
(That's what I get for typing my post at 0100 hours after 8 hrs of work and 3 hrs of class).I'm not trying to rock the boat, just understanding how it floats.
Let me say I'm NOT uptight about, nor disputing, the scoring. The "flow" is just different than I'm used to at local IDPA shoots (20 shooters, low round counts). I never challenged that I was being scored WRONG, just noticed that scoring seemed so hurried. I'm certainly not saying anyone was doing anything shady or anything like that. Yes, the couple of mikes I shot over the day were pointed out to me specifically. At the local level, I work to improve my shooting, sometimes trying new things, sometimes pushing my abilities, etc... so it's nice to see the holes. I guess that's the crust of my question.
Yes, I know how to call shots and have really improved at it over the years with room to grow still.... but honestly, can anyone but the best GMs really get it right all of the time (ie "where'd that C/D/M come from?!"). Post-shoot bullet hole feedback is important to learning your shot calling, imo.
I guess I had heard how "by the book" uspsa was compared to idpa, and was suprised over the last couple matches to see how nonchallant (sp?!) scoring was. Jim, I think, said it best regarding keeping local shoots consistant to big shoots. I think Flex best understands why I'd like to see the holes.
I should not have brought up about the time error. It's just one of those things and had it not been so obvious a typo, I'd never have caught it. I never complained to anyone about it cause it didn't matter to me. I only mentioned becuase I hoped it would illustrate my point. The couple of times I did try to ask "what did I score on the first xxx targets and what was my time?" my sheet had already been shuffled under and the next shooter was being prepared, no time to review or add points at all, imo.
My solution: I'll take Flex's suggestion. I usually travel to matches w/ a buddy I've been shooting w/ for years. I'll simply ask him to give me feedback on hits that are scored/pasted before I can see them. There's a reason I brought this up on the www vs at the match ... I don't want to be THAT GUY
who needs treated different. I'm happy to go w/ the status quo!Thanks!!
Ryan
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ok guys, you may remember me back in the spring as an IDPA guy wanting to get started in USPSA.... well, I have, and I love it!! I've only got 4 matches under my belt (working on my masters degree in EE and taking my final two classes this summer has killed my shooting season... I've only shot twice in the last 3 months. anyway....)
Question:
The last uspsa match I attended I almost never got my to see my time/targets for each stage. Granted, by design, IDPA has less movement and less shots fired, but I don't recall consistantly having so many stages where I finish and have NO idea how I scored on the first half-dozen targets. The scorekeepers were scoring and pasting the first half of the stages (stages w/ forward movement) literally before I had finished the cof. I'm out of practice and slow, but common, I'm not THAT slow!
I'm curious if the hurry-up mentality is common place or not? Maybe uspsa is faster than IDPA in more ways than one? Granted, it was like 110 degrees so I can see people wanting to go home, but we were behind a slower squad all day and usually ended up waiting several minutes on them to finish. I didn't want to come off as an uptight newbie and make them do anything special for me by asking them to wait to walk through with me while scoring, so I just went with the flow, but I'm curious what the average scoring procedure is at the club level.
Another Question:
Revolving ROs: Had never seen that at an IDPA match. Common in uspsa? At club level only or also at major matches? Ever cause problems with consistancy? Just curious... I actually like it. It would never work in IDPA since so many rules are so subjective and you wouldn't want different people making cover calls, etc.
Thanks for your insight!!
rvb
(Ryan)
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The one thing that makes me as a shooter and SO more than a little PO'ed is when you attend a match and the SO's are willfully ignorant of the rules. especially a large match. by willfully ignorant, I mean doing such assinine things as not counting hits on a target because they were shoot thrus thru a non threat. The rulebook came out in early 2005 it has been in effect since April 15-2005. Now if you are an SO and you are going to officiate take about an hour and read the 82 page book. Break out a highlighter. Pay attention, there will be a test. You will be graded by more than a few shooters, all of which own a rulebook and probably have read it. As for the "aggressive Shooter" there is only one rulebook reference to hands Starting position it is located on page 8 S9 of the current rulebook. ALL COF will be started with pistol holstered and safe, hands clear of equipment as directed by the SO unless other positions for the pistol are stipulated (table top,drawer, pack, purse, or in firing hand). If you would give an FTDR for movement between load and make ready and standby I would reply with an FTDR brought on by the FTRTRB Failure to read the RuleBOOK. A PE is earned by movement between standby and buzzer. NOT before Standby. the Command Load and make ready allow movement looking around the barricade etc. so long as no sight picture/airgunning takes place and falls under the Make ready command that was issued. An SO that has a problem with this is probably one of two things. 1. A range Nazi 2. A poor shooter that has a jealousy problem with an Aggressive "read better" Shooter.
BIG +1.
Now, to the original topic, I would like to make a point. I am in not saying this was the case with the situation, I wasn't there, but here is a common and similar issue I have experienced...
Starting while looking around the cover at T1 ("pre-slicing") is acceptable!! I run into this all the time. Cover behind a vert baricade is defined as 100% of legs and 50% torso behind cover. As long as I meet this rule and am in the area defined as P1 (and the cof description doesn't say otherwise), I'm behind cover. Remember, it's ok to stay "eyes-on" for reloads, too. Too many SOs make up their own interpretations of the rules based on what they believe is "tactical." (Counter point, can you see a "tactical" situation in real life you might be eyeing a BG before resorting to drawing your gun? Or you gonna stand w/ your face in a wall?). I get "realigned" all the time, too. It's possible (depending on the exact cof) that this situation could really be a result of agressive SOing, vs agressive shooting.
Again, I wasn't there and this guy may have been moving after "Standby" or wasn't meeting the cover rules where a PE is warrented; I'm just relaying related experiences... food for thought.
rvb
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Interesting thread... I don't post often, but thought I'd throw in a thought...
Remember, rule interpretrations can be a slipery slope...
Assuming that the shooter was acting w/in the course of fire and safe up to and including the time the SO could not get out of the shooters way, there should be no DQ.
The slipery slope? Well, say I'm a crazy fool who wants my division/class competition eliminated, so I just hire someone to run over the back of the backstop during the shooters time on a stage and wham, I'm class champ since they are all DQd. Heck, ROs are competators too... want teh competition eliminated? I just heard a brave way to win...
Nothing posted above clearly says to me the shooter was unsafe. In a perfect world we could all say the guy w/ the gun is completely responsible for safety. In the real world, everyone is responsible for executing a safe stage, including staying out of the way of the gun if you are RO'ing. Darwin loves people who play on railroad tracks and jump in front of guns.
I've been on both sides of this issue (ie, both sides of the gun!). Be happy that everyone is ok, take some time to calm down, reshoot, and enjoy the GAME. Stage designers, think about this when designing a stage. I ROd one stage this happened to me twice on (I actually grabbed guns to push them away from me as they were swinging around)... big rooms, narrow passages, and pitch black. I knew it was going to be a long day when I first saw it... people get half-way through a door then realize they forgot to check a corner of the room they were just in and suddenly turn around...
I let go of their gun, politely have them show clear and holster, and offered them a reshoot... technically: I interfered as SO. technically: they did not do anything against the course of fire. Nothing I else I could do as SO... it was either be close enough to interfere if necessary, or time with a stopwatch outside the shoothouse and let them go in alone. Don't know if I would accept a similar stage assignment again, though.
Don't know that I've actually swept an SO, but as a shooter, RO's don't expect the 260lb dude to sprint... so I now warn all ROs on moving stages that I'll be haulin ass and they may want to do likewise the second the buzzer goes off to keep from being on the wrong end...
rvb
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UPDATE:
So, I shot my second uspsa match this past weekend at Fredericksburg, VA. They put on one hell of a show with something like 120 shooters. It was 4 classifiers and 3 fun stages.
I've now shot 8 classifier stages in 3 weeks. Looks like I should end up in B class based on my best 6. If it wasn't for such a poor performance in York, I might be up at or near A.
I thought I'd post some differences between IDPA and IPSC that have tripped me up the last couple weeks in case anyone comes across this thread down the road searching for similar info.
1st. IDPA Administrative Reloads.... don't do 'em. The RO realized I was a new uspsa shooter and between stages just politely asked wtf I was doing. He didn't say anything when I was on the line as he said he felt I had been handling my weapon well and safely all day and he couldn't think of why it was bad/wrong, but had never seen it.
2nd. scoring. I need to learn the details of how it works... ie so I have a plan of whether I should take the time to make up Cs, etc depending on the pace of the stage. This may take some experience and some time on the calculator. This is easy in idpa... can you make it up with a 0.5s split or better (or 1.5s for -3)??
3rd, related to above... Shoot-throughs do NOT count like they do in IDPA. Got spanked on a classifier (99-27, "leftys revenge") because of this in VA this weekend, my last stage of the day. I hit the no-shoot on my second shot on T2. My only penalty all day. I called it. knew it was there w/o looking for the hole. A big "D'OH!!". ... well, in IDPA, I'd get the no-shoot penalty, but I'd have scored -0 and -1 hits. So I went on to the rest of the stage just trying to keep all my focus on my shots at hand and forget about it ... I was so suprised to hear the RO call it A/Mike/noshoot and see 20 points in penalties. yup, 10 for the mike and 10 for the no-shoot. Had I known the shot through the no-shoot into the target didn't count, I'd have made it up, gotten myself another A [hopefully], and had another 15 points over my actual score.
4th. Variation in plans!! Wow!! What fun!! In IDPA, "planning" your stage may mean figuring out your reloads depending on what division you're in as to minimize your score. I learned it's tough to watch other shooters and not get mentally shaken about your plan ("Is this guy's plan better than mine?"). I've tried hard the last year or so to really visualize my shooting before getting to the line ... if the editor of the movie (me!) mixes in other people's film, it can toss your plan to out the window when the buzzer goes off. confidence and CORRECT visualization are key.
5th. Classifiers. USPSA classifiers can be more fun than many "scenario" stages in IDPA. Lots of rounds, interesting shooting positions, etc.
6th. equipment. I'm never a believer that equipment can win matches or make you a better shooter... However, I didn't have enough mag carriers at York (only need 2 in idpa). Trying to stuff mags in my leather gun belt meant reloads got fumbled and mags were dropped all over the place and almost ran out of ammo a couple times. This week I had some new gear, a CRSpeed belt and speedcomp mag carriers. a WORLD of difference (when you can carry more than 2 mags).
I'm sure as I play more, I'll find more differences. Those just happen to be the ones that have jumped out at me in the 2 matches I shot.
Thanks for all your input.
and it was nice meeting some of you.
Ryan
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So how did it go?????
Sorry... just finished cleaning the mud out of my mags...
How'd it go? It was wet and sloppy.
Other than that, It was a blast!!
Got to meet Basman afterwards and several of us went for lunch.
I wasn't super happy with my shooting. Did ok, but not my greatest. Too many other things to think about. Especially my first couple of stages... I pushed a little too fast and had too many C/Ds (I think I only had about 5 Ds over the whole match, but way too many Cs for minor).
I came in 4/16 in Production and 17/49 in the [unofficial] overall scores.
As for the classifiers ... well, I would have made B if not for 03-09, "Baseball" ... ugh. Only scored 53 on that [44%]. Looks like I'll end up in C w/ about 56%. Oh well... that was with bags on the targets and one 10yd classifier stage set up 5yds too long which accounted for 2 shots just barely in the D ring (I was given the option to reshoot, but waved it).
Did ok on one of the field stages, botched the other. I need more mag pouches!! Tried stuffing extra in my belt, but when trying to draw one, another ended up on the ground. I ended up rushing on steel too much on the stage I botched.
Loved the high round count stages... holy crap that was fun and gets the blood moving!!
Now to go research mag pouches...
Oh, I joined USPSA Friday through their website.
Thanks!
rvb
(Ryan)
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Mark,
Ya'll give some mighty good advice, thanks for the reply!
Catfish,
I'm looking forward to the 'freedom' to shoot w/in the rules and not be scripted... I've been frustrated too many times lately in idpa seeing a faster way to shoot something w/in the confines (and 'spirit') of the rules, but not being allowed to do so 'cause it's not in the "script" on the course description. Not saying I'll be good at it at the start, but I'm looking forward to it.
Mike,
I'll be shooting a Beretta 92G. Fiber front post notch-n-post iron sights. Planning to play in Production unless they deem otherwise when I get there on equip/mods. (All idpa SSP legal, so from what I see in the book I think I'm good to go).
Steven,
I've been practicing w/ some paper/practice uspsa targets... I haven't felt any hindrance in the size/shape of the A zone compared to an idpa '-0', but I haven't really been under the match pressure, either. I have no problem showing up in B class, either (or C for that matter). I like goals. With new rules/targets/style/ect, there's going to be a learning curve that is independant of the basics of practical shooting. I'm ok with that. If I start low, than my goal will be to be able to proclaim, "look how fast I moved up!". Also... no retention reloads or slide-lock is going to be weird.... I'll be pawing for that slide release whether I need it or not I'm sure...
Everyone,
Thanks for letting me know how the USPSA will handle the classification/membership. Sounds like they are on the ball.
I'll definately keep that 180 in mind.
See ya on the range.
Ryan
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Hey guys....
so here's the deal. I've been shooting IDPA for a few years. Even squeaked into Master a few months ago. I want some fresh perspective, some different [and bigger?] challenges, new goals, and most importantly.... fun trigger time.
I'm shooting a classifier match on Sunday (in York, PA). This will be my first USPSA match. I was told I can join USPSA at the match (and fully intend to).
I was reading through the pdf rulebook I downloaded and looking for things that may be different or new over what I'm used to ... things to keep me out of trouble and from looking like a goof. . . I'm not worried about the 180 rule, safe tables, etc., I think I have a handle on that. Any thing drastically different from IDPA that could get me in trouble safety wise or cause me to rack up unneccessary penalties?
I'll be shooting my IDPA (SSP) gear.
Any tips, pointers, thoughts, etc? I'm not going with a goal of smokin the clock. Wouldn't mind making A-class, but not going to push for master times or anything. If I join uspsa at the match, do you think I'll still get classified? How efficiant is the governing body on those types of situations?
I absolutely can't wait. I've been saying for a year or more I want to get started shooting with you all.
Oh, and I've downloaded the pdfs of the classifier stages and sorta been studying them so I can feel comfortable and somewhat familiar and relaxed on them.
Thanks!!
Ryan
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Hi all, I'm mostly a lurker, and usually just toss the TJ when it comes... but I happened to flip through this one and the pf article irked me (why I usually just toss it).
I definately agree that's it's a silly argument ... I was knocking on the door of MA w/ WWB 9mm. Shot it for years. I never felt that I was at a disadvantage. Dished out a lot of good-natured ribbing about "wimp" loads, and now take the same ribbing now that I load my own... but I NEVER really felt disadvantaged buying factory loads. It was "on me" to step up my performance.
When I do shoot the classifier now, I usually do it w/ my match 9mm in SSP/ESP and handloaded 9s. I then usually repeat w/ my carry gun in .45 using factory loads, just to get some "on-the-clock" trigger time w/ my carry gun. I'm always amazed that the times are SO close over a 90-rnd course of fire. Usually the difference is like 2 seconds difference over 90 rounds. Both are DA/SA. I'm not as "intimiately familiar" w/ my carry gun (ie it doesn't get dry-fired every night, etc), which may account for some of the time difference.
Those who whine about powfer factory could easily impress upon themselves how silly their arguments sound if they performed a similiar comparison.
Considering WWB made like 128 pf at the couple matches I had it chrono'd at, I don't see how you can raise the SSP pwer floor. Unless you start making pf calier specific, or go to a major/minor scoring system... both of which would, IMO, defeat the "purpose" of the GAME by over-complicating it.
If people want to make IDPA "training," they need to not turn in their scores at the end of the day and just shoot it the way they "feel" is best. So far, none of the "tactical" types I've suggested that to have been willing to toss their scores in the trash before going home, they all seem to end up in the score bin ... must be a competitive nature lurking there somewhere ...
sincerely,
rvb
(That's what I get for typing my post at 0100 hours after 8 hrs of work and 3 hrs of class).
who needs treated different. I'm happy to go w/ the status quo!
Beretta Longevity
in 1911-style Pistols
Posted · Edited by rvb
I'd estimate I've put 100k-120k on my practice 92FS (plus lots of dry fire).
I did have to replace a locking block a few years back but it was an old style one that broke (gun made in '91 iirc). Gun was a police trade-in when I bought it. Still putting 300-500 rounds/week through it and it still shoots nice groups and run accurately. If you're worried about the locking blocks you could replace every 10-15k rounds for ~$75.
I run light recoil and main springs, too. My reloads are light, but only about 20k of the rounds through the gun are reloads (bought my Dillon a year ago).
Never owned a Beretta in .40, but it seems they don't last as long.
rvb