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5 hours ago, xrayfk05 said:
Cheap as in?
With WSF you need 3.9 grains to make factor, with a fast powder a lot less. With a fast powder I only need 3.2 grains, about 400 rounds more per pound.
That said, powder cost for 9mm minor is negligible anyways.
You answer your own question at the end of your post.
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WSF - Cheap, available, and versatile.
9mm 147gr FMJ, 3.9gr WSF, 1.135.
Sometimes I think too much is made about burn rate, specifically in regards to 9mm minor. I run a very unscientific experiment. I pit the aforementioned load against a Titegroup load (3.3gr) and tell shooters at my range to pick the fast powder load after firing 10 rounds of each. Most agree that if any perceivable difference is felt it is at best negligible.
Don't get me wrong, I understand how the fast powder/heavey bullet thing works but most times in the hand it's pretty hard to tell the difference.
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At 3.3 grs I'm surprised the 124gr projectile's making it out of the barrel, lol. That's the load weight I use for 147gr plated projectiles. I would have thought that 3.6 - 4.0 grs would have been your load range.
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Now they can charge even more for their products, lol.
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I'm surprised you needed the hair clipper with Titegroup, it throws very consistently for me out of my 650 without any additional help.
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3.6gr it is, lol.
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I went with WST because it's the faster powder, so theoretically it should shoot softer than WSF.
Any starting load suggestions for a FMJ like, CamPro's are thick plated, 147gr projectile? Most of my barrels are 4.25"-4.5".
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1 hour ago, TrackCage said:
Where you finding the sale if you don't mind me asking?
Canadian sale, so regular American pricing, lol.
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1 hour ago, jcc7x7 said:
WST works great in 9 minor loads from 124 to 147gr, clean, easy push in the hand ext.
Problem is !!!!!
I've used a lot of WSF in 9mm minor with good results also
I believe WST is a better option of the two for our type of shooting
It's versatile, in the 9 for minor , the 40 for both minor and major, and the 45
I've heard people complain about temperature sensitivity , though I've never had a problem with it at the chrono station from 35 to 95 degrees.
I load it to 132 PF for minor and 172 for major.
SD and ES are good in my guns
I've read that WST gets funky at the top end when pushing a FMJ projectile, I guess that's not the case. Thanks.
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7 hours ago, Alaskapopo said:
Rather than buying 16 pounds try one pound of each and do some testing yourself. Honestly not much difference.
That would be the smart thing to do but at 40% off I'm tempted to buy a larger quantity on advice alone. If I were to buy 1 lb of each and test the sale would be over by the time I'm ready with my results.
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There's a sale on both these powders and I want to buy one or the other, possibly both. I only load 147gr CamPro's (Full copper plated, 0.008 inch thick). I currently use Titegroup to load minor for all my handguns (S&W M&P9 2.0, Glock 17, Glock 34, and Ruger 9E).
1) Does WSF have noticeably more felt recoil than Titegroup? I know it's only minor but will I feel a difference?
2) How dirty are WSF and WST at these levels?
3) Generally how are the SD's and ES's? Does one perform better than the other with 147gr?
P.S. I've searched the $hit out of these powders and my head's spinning, lol. At this point I'm just looking for a little guidance before potentially buying 16 lbs of each.
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4 hours ago, texasref said:
The RN seating stem matches the ogive of the bullet and gives you evenly distributed pressure when seating. A little variation is to be expected and is normally not an issue.
Yeah, I'm just surprised that the SWC stem couldn't match the consistency of the RN stem. Do FP meplat's generally have a slope that's unseen to the eye?
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I'm a reader, not a poster, but something's got me baffled. I recently loaded a bunch of CamPro 147gr RNFP and the RN seating stem in the Dillon die gave me a more consistent OAL. I was sure that the SWC stem would provide a more consistent OAL since it presses flat against the nose of the projectile but that theory didn't play out. Any thoughts as to why?
Brass: Winchester
OAL: 1.125
Accuracy for reloads.
in 9mm/38 Caliber
Posted · Edited by 4n2t0
There are too many factors to be certain but I would side with TDA. Doughnuts to dollars it's velocity related. The factory ammo is travelling faster than the OP's own loads.