SinistralRifleman
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Videos of all stages, complete scores, and commentary:
http://sinistralrifleman.com/2012/05/03/tiger-valley-team-match-2012/
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Training for the Tiger Valley Match; aka some fat guys and a couple skinny guys going over walls:
http://sinistralrifleman.com/2012/04/17/training-for-tiger-valley-team-match-2012/
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Most DQ offenses are extensions of violations of the 4 basic rules that apply everywhere and all the time. These are the most serious firearms rules.
1) Treat every firearm as if it is loaded
2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy
3) Finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
4) Be sure of your target and what is beyond it
Dropped gun = rules 1 and 2
ND in the range = rule 3
ND over the berm = rule 4
180 violation = stricter rule 2
So a gun muzzle down in a bucket is violating which of the 4 basic rules?
I don't necessarily have a problem with this, provided the gun does not discharge. However, even a gun muzzle-down in a barrel could throw debris (rocks etc) in unsafe directions if it discharged. More disconcerting, a lot of the faster guys push the endge of the envelope by literally THROWING their gun into the barrel, and I am not sure this is wise with a rifle that has a <2lb single-action trigger without the safety applied. Watch the video of Nils getting DQd on Stage 2 at SMM3G... we are ALL lucky that he applied the safety catch before abandoning that rifle.
Even with the safety on some long guns can still discharge if given enough of a shock. Several popular shotgun models come to mind. Throwing the guns into barrels is more of a safety issue than a loaded gun being left in a barrel. Maybe rules need to state that the shooter must have at least one hand touching the firearm until it touches the base of the grounding barrel, but that seems like it would be hard to enforce.
The bigger question to me is if people are becoming too aggressive/reckless in the handling of firearms because speed abandoning firearms is seen as a critical component of stage performance, maybe its time to re-evaluate the way stages are run and if we should be testing how fast people can throw guns into barrels and grab another one?
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only 2 weeks out and last I heard there are only 4-5 teams signed up. Plenty of space left.
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You don't need a ton of steel targets to run a good match. Have 3-5 per stage that get re-engaged multiple times from different positions.
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As a limited and heavy metal shooter, I have nothing but support for those that buck the norm of scope tac. There should be a place for all of us to shoot within reason, and all the open weenies (Like Doug) should be allowed to use the fancy go fast gizmos. Some prefer oysters and some prefer snails. We should fight against the oppression of the one scope tac division. Rise up my brothers in shooting diversity and oppose the evil scope tac white bread mono-divisional trend. Shoot open, shoot heavy, shoot limited, try the divisions out, you just may find that you where not meant to shoot with the pack. Celebrate and promote diversity in shooting.
The best reason the to shoot in a different division is if you're in the bottom half of open you have to wait for 20 shooters to get your goodie bag off the prize table rather than 100 if you're in the bottom half of tac scope. It also helps beating the traffic jam out of the range. LOL.
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I have an Aimpoint M4 and an ACOG in Larue mounts I swap back and forth between one of my carbines that get abused a lot and I haven't noticed any shift that was more than 1 click as others have mentioned. Good enough to still hit plates at 300 either way.
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No advantage to open? I would think that this would of turned out different if that was fully true:
JMHO,
Chuck
Do the points results compare across divisions, or are the points only calculated by division results then the points listed for over all?
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I'm not convinced that open pistol in 3 gun makes much difference given that stage designs tend to throw pistol in as an afterthought. And as Alaskapopo said there is little difference between Tac Scope and Open rifles anymore. I rarely run into places to actually use a bipod anymore, and most of the time there is space to dial an optic up or down in magnification on the move.
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I disagree. I am a sometime 3-Gunner, mostly just shooting our quarterly club 3-Gun matches. I found the idea of buying a bunch of special loaders and shell holders, and learning and practicing a new loading technique be be daunting (I had used other shooters shotguns - open and tactical). I just did not want to dedicate the time it would take to practice it. I found the idea of a shotgun with a magwell that I could load just like an AR (I use an R&R straight in Magwell), with fire controls similar to an AR enticing.
Just look at the thread here on SG loading techniques. Shotgun reloading is the make or break of 3-Gun.
YES, the Saiga is relatively expensive to get right, if you are willing to do much of the work yourself you can have a reliable working S12 for under $1800. I sent mine to Jack Travers and had the Gas System reworked, but is well worth it, but that was the only work done on it by someone other than me. Finding the right shells is a matter of a little bit of reading here and on some S12 forums.
Just my opinion.
Mark K
I wouldn't define you as a casual 3 gunner even if you don't shoot a lot of matches, you've invested in equipment to enjoy/be successful at the sport.
I suppose expenses are all relative. I've run one Saiga into the ground and went through several defective ones to get ones that work (see my blog post I linked above). It was easier to deal with this when guns were $350-$450, but the retail on unconverted guns is now $700-$800 and they're really not built to the level of quality that justifies that price. You shouldn't have to spend money to fix factory defects and make a gun work out of the box. I understand spending money to make a gun function better for the sport, but having to spend money to make it run at all is silly; unless you take the sport that seriously. The Saiga I have now that works the best I had to add another gas port to it to make it work at all; Would anyone tolerate that out of a factory new Remington or Mossberg? I don't think so.
The only time I use my Saiga anymore is when I train for Ironman or at Ironman. The shorter courses of fire I find at the local matches (and even if they are longer the shooting areas are spaced to give people room to reload make it less of an advantage, and its easier to shoot in Tac Scope or Tac Limited and not put miles on a gun that is going to wear out around 10,000 shells.
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The only reason to use a Saiga-12 is if you're a dedicated 3 gunner. Otherwise going through the learning curve of getting the gun running, trying a bunch of ammo, and the ongoing maintenance isn't worth it.
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http://sinistralrifleman.com/2011/04/25/3gun-trooper-vest/
For Ironman I have 8 or 10 mags with me (in case they break), carry 4 on my vest + 1 in the gun, and normally use 3-5 per stage. If I need more than that they get put on tables or in a shoulder bag I can throw on with the vest. The Most I've ever used was 7 per stage and that was with switching loads back and forth.
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FWIW, all the people who had to fall out of trooper for shotgun failures were using Remington 1100s/1187s to the best of my knowledge.
Its probably easier to just carry a spare gun. There will be opportunities where you could load both and use them both on the stage (one at a time). I'm taking 2 saigas this year, and they will probably both fail spectacularly.
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Does this one have a costume contest like Outbreak Omega?
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I have several of them. Lightweight and relatively easy to install.
I'm running mid-length gas systems and cut down/ground down the factory front sight bases. I can't torque on it enough to make the rail contact the gas block with the 13" model. Also with the gas block slightly recessed I can run the short bottom rail for a bipod at 6 o'clock.
The main down side to these type of handguards is how hot they get, just sitting in the car or after a couple mags. So I had some nylon wraps made for mine: http://sinistralrifleman.com/2012/01/27/coyote-tactical-fore-end-wrap/
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Has anyone done speed tests on the clock using primary optic vs secondary optics at close ranges. Having used stacked optics and offset optics I always felt that for at least the first target acquiring the secondary optic was slower than just using the primary. I'm wondering at what point it becomes even/faster.
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Quick path: Work for a gun or shooting gear related company. Be a competent, proficient shooter, use the products you make and sell. Have the boss send you to matches to promo the stuff you make.
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As a left handed shooter there is no good reason to use a left handed action; unless you're planning on blowing your gun up. Then you might take less debris to the face. The ejection port on the right is where you want it to see its empty or more easily throw a shell into the chamber. Right handed shooters would benefit from left handed guns for this reason.
870s are very lefty friendly. Slide release is easier to operate left handed with the trigger finger. Reverse the safety if you feel the need.
Mossbergs are also lefty friendly, the slide release is easily accessed with either hand. The safety is ambi.
For the auto loaders the button on the right side to drop the bolt is easily accessed with your support side hand after you drop a shell in the chamber.
I need to start a left handed shooter self esteem program, start viewing it as an advantage not a handicap.
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Too many Saigas don't run out of the box. I'm not talking about shooting well for our sport, I'm saying they just don't work. I agree they need mods to be more competitive, but you shouldn't have to gunsmith a new gun just to make it reliable. See my blog post I linked to earlier that details all the guns that didn't work out of the box. When they were $350-$450 new, it was easier to tolerate these issues because it was cheap. At $700 unconverted now, it's in the realm of not wanting to deal with for the price.
Maintenance learning curve is a different thing. I clean mine about every 300 shells. When I really want it clean I use a brass brush on a drill motor and watch all the sludge come out of the gas system. Watch for wear and peening on the bolt, it can start having issues locking up. Watch for cracking around the piston and bolt carrier area; I've seen a few cases of this but never happened to me. Make sure your receiver is clear of debris so you don't have the gun discharge when you rotate the safety to fire; (this can happen with any AK design).
The only reason we're putting up with these issues with Saigas is there isn't anything else better that is available with readily available magazines.
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A saiga is somewhere between having a porn star girlfriend and a dog that does cool tricks but bites sometimes.
LOL! That's sig line material right there.
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(Sure wish we would see a real 3-gun competitor allowed on the show for once.)
Iain Harrison from season 1 was/is a real 3 gun competitor, but they didn't really promote him as such during that season. He was the most multifunctional shooter there and I'm glad he made it all the way through and won it.
There's been one or two uspsa shooters that have done well, but overall I've been amazed at how early uspsa shooters have left the show.Those who have done the best are generalists with broad experience. The sidecar challenge was one by the fellow with the least experience with that rifle, but a better broad experience with things like shooting while moving (or moving targets).
I think being mentally flexible and being willing to do the best with the situation presented to the competitors has a lot to do with it too. Competitors of only one discipline are often used to things always being a certain way in regards to the way skills are tested and can have a hard time adapting to different things.
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And also how do you carry your mags in a match, and how many (I assume 2 would probably do it)?
Vest:
http://sinistralrifleman.com/2011/04/25/3gun-trooper-vest/
How to load on a closed bolt without a magwell:
http://sinistralrifleman.com/2011/05/02/how-to-load-a-saiga-12-on-a-closed-bolt/
Saiga-12 Saga:
http://sinistralrifleman.com/2012/02/01/the-saiga-12-saga/
You guys go ahead and pump hundreds and hundreds of dollars into your Saigas that prove finicky, and AKDAL's which haven't proven themselves yet and don't have parts availability....
I'll stick with my Benelli M2 and walk with confidence
If you're talking about Open with your Benelli: the fumble factor with tec-loaders can't be ignored. Also loading 10-12 at a time with a magazine vs 4-6 with a tecloader.
Its all a gamble, just gotta decide what odds you want to play.
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I'm still waiting for American made gun ready to go out of the box without having to do a bunch of stuff to them.
In the mean time, I am invested in the Saiga platform and will continue to beat them apart, until something clearly better comes along. It helps that I am shooting more rifle/pistol matches and not as many 3 gun matches lately. The Akdal may be the ticket, but I want to see some high round count guns before I drop the $$$.
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Is there a Cowboys vs. Aliens division? If there is, I'm there
This Cowboy handled the Xenomorph infestation at our 2010 Halloween Shotgun Match with his Saiga-12
Steel jacketed ammo
in Multi-gun Rules / Stage Design / Match Administration
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At the ACTS match here in Tucson we shoot at rifle steel regularly at ~40 yards to 100 yards. It's one of the few matches that let's shooters use bi-metal jacket ammo. There has been no degradation to the steel; it might actually wear on it less due to lower velocities of Wolf, Tula, etc. XM193 tends to punish steel A LOT worse. MGM put out an advisory years ago about XM193 for this reason, IIRC it may have even been banned from the match for a while.