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Ken I doubt you will ever get the point I was making.
Pat,
I can aspire to be as smart as you.... someday!
kr
editted to say:
After the attitude warning: I'm sorry for the attitude. That was my only publically acceptable response to being told I will never get a point.
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I stand by what I said,I can conceal the CR speed as well as other legal carriers under my legal IDPA vest.
Pat
Pat,
I get your point now. Thanks! I think you are essentially saying you don't like the wording in the rulebook.
Two thoughts. You just made up your own criteria. I can conceal an open class USPSA gun under one of those "IDPA" vests and I'm pretty sure it wasn't designed for concealed carry. It is a made up criteria, and it doesn't work.
Either you use the criteria in the rulebook or you make up your own. As an MD you can do either.
Either way, HQ will weigh in soon enough, and all this typing will be moot.
Have a good night!
kr
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This not designed for concealed carry is a misnomer and catch all for people who have their own idea of what the rule book says.
Pat
I don't understand. You mean like this part of the rulebook:
1. IDPA Magazine Carrier Criteria
Magazine carrier must:
A. Be designed for concealed carry and suitable for all day continuous wear.
kr
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Use by police departments is hardly an endorsement for concealed carry. Most duty gear doesn't conceal at all.
kr
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Here was a good arguement that was presented by one of our posters on our forum (whom is also a BE member) that has some valid points to consider.
FROM IDPA:
Magazine carrier must:
A. Be designed for concealed carry and suitable for all day
continuous wear. (subjective, yet CRSpeed does meet these criteria)
I do not believe it meets criteria A. It does not appear to have been designed for concealed carry. It appears to have been designed for USPSA, to be used with a velcro belt.
kr
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I got one of these:
It folds up neatly for trunk carry.
Hey,
I have one of those for sale. Used only one day at the Washington State IDPA and 3Gun match. It is made of aluminum and rolls very well.
PM me at freeidaho at yahoo dot com if you are interested.
Ken Reed
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I stand corrected, I remembered it as a will not instead of another one of IDPA's stupid "should" things
pg 50 of the rulebook
"However, mixing the number of hits required on targets within the same string leads to procedural penalties and should be discouraged"
what a waste of dang ink, either make it a rule or leave it out, get rid of the stupid shoulds and discourages.
Joe,
With all due respect, there are times when mixed number of rounds makes sense for the self-defense premise of the COF. Nothing wrong with leaving the COF designer a little latitude, or all you ever get are cookie cutter stages.
I don't believe in writing rules that prohibit anything that a shooter can screw up. Defensive shooting is supposed to be a challenge a little bigger than just aligning the sights, yes?
Just a thought....
kr
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Howdy,
Today, 3-Gun most everywhere is "lots-o-shooting" for the pure fun of shooting huge amounts of ammo at most any type of target, without any intent to be like real combat or self defense. That is part of what makes it fun. It is an arcade game of sorts, but it takes a pickup load of quarters to play.
Since IDPA has Defensive in their name, I expect they will hold dear to magazine loading and max rounds per stage, to keep stage design grounded in self defense, "it could happen" type thinking.
Therein lies the rub. The people commenting on the IDPA proposal are used to, and like very much the type of 3-Gun they are already shooting. Me, I like to shoot more, but I can see IDPA's viewpoint too. If IDPA Multigun is just another 3-gun sport like we already have, then there is little point in starting it up. Others are doing all over the US, and have a loyal following. Like the MGM Ironman for example.
So the real question is this: If IDPA holds to the defensive nature for their Multigun, will large numbers of clubs adopt it? Will it catch on, and will we have an IDPA Multigun Nationals in a couple of years? Or an Idaho IDPA and Multigun Championship?
I hope that they will loosen up on what each of the equipment divisions means so that new shooters with simple equipment will be attracted to IDPA Multigun. Much like how new people are attracted to IDPA, they learn a while and then begin to shoot USPSA.
I'm suspecting that IDPA HQ will be flexible on some things if a compelling arguement can be made. However I don't believe that the magazine loading and max rounds per string changes will fly with them because of the Defensive direction of the organization.
That said, there is lots of room for improvement over the Provisional rules.
Your Thoughts?
Ken Reed
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Where was that posted initially?
On the Smith & Wesson forums?
I saw it first on the IDPAForum http://pub62.ezboard.com/bidpaforum
kr
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Okay,
Here is an alternate way to divide up the equipment into divisions. I think it allows more people to shoot what they may already have. See attached spreadsheet..... kr
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I think heavy metal should not include the 7.62x39. It is a poodle shooter just like the 5.56 M16 round. Heavy metal should be 7.62x51 minimum.... kr
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I was reading Brian's book (again) and noted that on page 144 he mention "When the middle target is down low I'd hit it first, then left, then right. If the middle target was more level with the others, I'd shoot it left to right."
Do you think the way the IDPA Classifier targets are setup (middle target is 2ft lower than the left target), that it would be better to hit the middle target first? I'm going to go out and try it with the timer and see which is faster for me.
Andy
Question, can one legally shoot them in any order? For some reason I thought it was left to right or right to left.... kr
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I too am a migrane sufferer. I mostly have them under control now after 40 years of living with them. I used to take Imitrex but it really is bad for the heart so I quit.
First, figure out what all your trigger foods are. My trigger foods are chocolate, hot dogs and bacon (most anything with nitrates in it) and sugar, either natural or processed or sugar substitutes.
Another thing that greatly affects whether I get a migrane is whether I am fully hydrated. Lastly the overstress of my neck muscles seems to bring them on.
If I eat right, that is no trigger foods, and I am fully hydrated, I rarely get a headache that goes full term now.
But it used to be almost a guaranteed headache when I went to the range. Mostly due to poor hydration. I still went however.
Good luck....
kr
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I have never received a FTDR but I have been close enough to have to argue about it.........
Thanks Bob! kr
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Over nearly 10 years of shooting IDPA I have fired a lot of extra shots. Some were needed, some were not. Some resulted in a better reload, some turned a miss into a "-0", some forced an extra reload, some were just wasted time, and I am sure a couple were all of the above. All most all of them were fired instinctively because I didn't like something when I broke the shot. None of them were an attempt to cheat, which is what the FTDR was supposely designed to address.
Bob,
You make an interesting point. How many of these extra shots were awarded an FTDR for round dumping?
kr
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This is the stage.... kr
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Is that the stage at the nationals that got the girl her FTDR?
Yes, the stage and target, 12 feet from the shooter.
A stage that required the shooter to either make a RWR or Tac-Load and have an empty magazine with one round left in the chamber?No, most people went ahead and shot one round on the next target and then reloaded at slidelock.
So was the shooter wrong.......or the course designer?Lets just say that most people did the stage with integrity. Some did not.
kr
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Here is a picture of the target where round dumping occurred. The target is 12 feet from the shooter.... kr
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The stage in question was Stage 6, written and lived by Walt Rauch. There are two targets to the right of the car engaged from cover while standing. Then, the shooter must go prone and shoot out the black leg of each far target. When the leg is hit, the target falls sideways and the shooter must put two rounds into the cardboard. There's no specified order for the far targets other than the leg must be shot before the cardboard. It was a fun stage with a trap set for revolver shooters.
I was shooting a revolver, and that stage didn't help.
The supports were 4" wide, but on a 45 degree ange, making them 2" wide, BUT, when I went prone they looked like were 1/2" wide.
Just a teeny correction. The legs were 3/8" x 4" steel flat bar. If the target is directly facing the shooter, since the leg was turned 45 degrees to keep the splatter away from the shooters, the legs presented a target that was 3" wide and 16" tall, that could be knocked down with a 22LR round.
The right hand target was not directly facing the shooter and its leg appeared smaller. The left target was pretty straight on to the shooter. I suspect this arrangement was not accidental.
An excellent stage for IDPA.
Ken Reed
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Ken
I enjoyed your drop targets on that stage. I was admiring your craftsmanship while I was resetting the targets, very nicely done. Thank you for all the work that your poured into designing and making the targets. It's also great that your share your designs on your web site. Don't worry with those that thought that they were too hard, accuracy is a skill that needs to be tested. If they thought that they were too hard, there is a saying from some where that goes something like "put on your big girl pants and deal with it".
Gregg,
Thank you Sir ! ! ! It was my pleasure, each and every second of it!
I was on my best behavior, so no big girl comments from me, but I might have thought it.
Some shooters tended to make more of the leg targets and the mover than they really were. After seeing the target on the mover consistently get shot on the leading side mostly, it was clear most people were leading it way too much. Not something they could know, unless they noticed where the pasters were, but something I noticed when chaning targets.
I hope you had a super time ! ! !
Ken Reed
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Non-standard targets have been a part of IDPA since the beginning. I've used Newbolds, bowling pins, balloons (in the COM -0 ring) as triggers etc.... IDPA rewards accuracy as as long as it makes sense for a scenario or standards I've never had a problem with them. They just have to work reliably and not become an "administrative time killer", resetting or dealing with reshoots etc...
Thanks Mark for acknowledging the "Same for everyone" deal. Every time I've heard that in a big IDPA match it is usually an excuse for a poorly designed COF or one that is clearly outside of the rulebook.
Regarding "gotchas" being against the wheel gunners. Well I hate to remind people but you are only competing against shooters in your division. All the wheel gunners were in the same boat, so to speak (not to be confused with "same for everybody"). Comparing scores or numbers of reloads in a COF with people in different divisions is pointless. There's no high overall as much as people want there to be one. Nothing against Donnie, or anyone else who's had the lowest score recorded. But it's quite possible that the CDP shooters had to perform more reloads resulting in higher stage times. It's comparing apples and oranges. Funny how it comes up year after year.
Mark,
Great post, thank you.
But I have learned from my revolver friends that they do indeed compare themselves to the bottom feeders. I agree it is a tough choice, but I can see their point a bit. A fellow that posts under COF and I used to butt heads a bit about revolvers, (not to be confused with being a butt head,) until I fully understood that the revolver shooters truly compare themselves to everyone else, just like the other divisions. I know everyone says with a wink that we shouldn''t do that, but it is human nature.
I did see revolver shooters tac-reload before going prone, and nail the legs and the paper. Both revolvers and CDP required a reload, where ESP and SSP did not unless they missed more than once. The guys in ESP with 9 round mags, had to be perfect or tac-reload too. It was a double edge sword for many. I got to watch everyone shoot the stage. Big fun ! ! !
kr
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The legs were scored targets. You had to knock them down in order to see the paper targets, since you were shooting under a car. And they were pretty close, something like 8 yards, but I didn't measure it. The stage was 10 rounds minimum. Only two people out of 344 didn't get the legs to fall. It was my observation that they did not have their sights aligned to the point of impact, since they were making small groups in the berm, just not aligned with the leg. Most people finished the stage in 11 rounds or ten rounds.
This stage was a real life encounter that Walt Rausch survived. Not IDPA indeed.
kr
edited to tone down the animosity toward this thread....
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With ammo prices thru the roof. I have decided to sell my 1911 45 and buy something new.
Would like to hear suggestions from you! I am buying a new gun for idpa and general shooting. My basic want list is semi auto. 9mm. with a thumb safety. budget up to 1000 bucks. What would you pick within those basic rules?
thanks!
Glock 17, 19, ot 34...... wait, just wait a minute, with a Cominolli manual thumb safety installed. A pretty clever setup indeed. You can see my G21 set up this way at http://www.parmarng.org/freeidaho/default.html . On the second screen see Glock Manual Safety on the left. Not everyones cup of tea. But it is reliable, has a typical Glock trigger, and a manual thumb safety for those of us that grew up with the 1911.
kr
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Gents,
I'd suggest not welding to a popper. The plates on a popper are hardened steel and welding to them will soften the metal and allow them to pit and become worthless. Additionally, the plates on most poppers are made to be reversable, so that both sides may be shot at to extend life.
The popper plate usually bolts to the hinge at the bottom of the plate. The hinge is usually mild steel and something can be welded to it. A better idea is to put longer bolts into the plate and hinge, and add a bolt-in a lever arm that sticks out to the side and up. This lever can be used to pull cable to activate other targets.
I hope this helps ! ! !
kr
CR speed mag pouches in IDPA
in IDPA Shooting
Posted · Edited by freeidaho
Ain't it amazing,
One fellow out of all the posters here, has actually tried to use these mag pouches for all day carry.
He wrote that they were not acceptable to him, and listed the reasons.
Amazing because apparently no one else has actually tried it.
Amazing because no one seems to care that this well known, trusted fellow found them unacceptable and stopped using them.
Yet most everyone else is making the case that they are perfect for CC, and therefore for IDPA.
Make me go hmmmmmm.
kr