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2007 Idaho State IDPA Championship
Saturday, September 8th, 2007
10 Stages
Approx 150 rounds
100 shooters maximum
Marksman, Sharpshooter, Expert, and Master
SSP, ESP, CDP, SSR, and ESR
Lunch included
T-shirts and hats available
Ken Reed
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Here is another homemade 3-gun cart. It is almost finished, just have two more aluminum pieces to add. Go to http://www.parmarng.org/freeidaho/default.html and on the second screen all the way to the bottom on the left is the link.
Your Thoughts?
Ken Reed
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And like I said the only light that could be on was the RO's red light.
It is very simple for the shooter to verify an empty mag well and a loaded or unloaded chamber, in total darkness. The technique is taught in many first level self defense classes.
Ken Reed
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Thank you ! ! !
Ken Reed
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At an IDPA match, the Safety Officer is ultimately responsible to see that the shooter has actually unloaded his gun. In this case, the SO made an error and the gun went bang. Under IDPA rules, the SO made the error, not the shooter. The shooter should not have been DQ'd unless there were other mitigating factors.
The rules for USPSA match are different; the shooter (NOT the Range Officer) is responsible for determining that his gun is unloaded, regardless of what the RO states during the unload sequence. If the same thing had happened at a USPSA match, the shooter would have been clearly DQ'd.
Which ever of the two, shooter or SO, had his finger on the trigger at the time of the ND, is the responsible party. When the trigger is pulled, the pullee is responsible. How can it be any other way?
Lots of times the shooter gets way ahead of the SO, and pulls the trigger, before the slide forward command is even given.
Ken Reed
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Bottom line is it is a dumb rule that I will never call as long as I SO. An unenforceable rule is one that I will choose to ignore as a SO.
Joe,
There are two sides to this issue. The shooter side and the SO side.
From the shooter side, it is cheating to dump rounds. The shooter knows whether they are dumping or not. Hence my post above, which was entirely about the shooter side.
From the SO side, yes it is hard to call on a single shooter, unless he/she blabs. But if you camp out on a stage where a round dump would be useful, you will see shooter after shooter, "need" an extra shot, each with a convenient excuse. It is still cheating, but hard to call.
Two sides to this issue.
Ken Reed
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The rulebook does not say "You can make up misses or dropped points" the rulebook says, "as many shots as desired may be fired."
Then they put in a provision that says that I can be hugely penalized if the S.O. thinks my desire is impure.
Phooey, the worst contradictory bogus BS in the book. I won't call it.
Duane is right, dumping rounds is cheating. It is as simple as that.
Those that do it, know they are not making up a shot, they know they are cheating. And they have gotten really good at hiding/justifying their cheating with well rehearsed rhetoric, some of which you have seen typed right here in this thread.
It must be very disturbing to know in your heart that you can't win without cheating.
Ken Reed
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so does this mean to "strip"off equipment as soon as possible ?
Gman,
I believe there is a more basic lesson here.... that always works.
Do not use illegal equipment.
Ken Reed
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So this was not "just another rule change for no good reason." There was actually a very good reason for it. It was also something that IDPA HQ did not want to do, and avoided until forced into it.
Duane,
Thanks for writing this piece. I have almost written much the same thing several times today.
There is another side benefit to the holster spec versus the holster list. Many people, like me, make their own holsters to meet special needs. These holsters can now be legally used in IDPA. Additionally, under the new rules, holsters can be bought and modified, and still be legal. With the holster list, that was verboten.
Thanks again ! ! !
Ken Reed
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[What do you all think an apology is?
Everyone;
To me, an apology is an admission of guilt. It does not include any excuses or resume. It acknowledges the affects that the problem caused. If possible, it provides a solution to the problem. But some mistakes can not be taken back. If you run over a child, you can't just rewind the tape and everything is okay. likewise, if you aid your enemy, it can rarely be taken back.
Mr. Zumbo's "apology" falls short in several ways. He acknowledges causing a problem, but the way it was worded, he is only concerned about the pain it is causing him, not the rest of the shooting community. A better characterization of his statement is to call it damage control. I do not feel that he has changed his mind about ugly black rifles, he has merely tried to take back what he said, to ease the pain it is causing him.
The articles that he writes are not turned out in 5 minutes. They take care and thought. It wasn't a whim that caused this article to be written. It sounded like conviction to me. From his apology I do not believe that he understands the harm that he did, nor that he has fundamentally changed his mind. It was damage control, pure and simple.
Thanks for listeneing ! ! !
kr
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Given that I intend to use these plates for practice I posted my query here. I want to build a plate rack for practice but due to weight and transportation problems I want to build individual plates on steel rods that reset when shot. My thoughts are along the lines of a pendulum effect where the plate is shot, swings back and down and a weighted pendulum causes the plate to stand back up. Anybody seen plates like this? Pictures?
CYa,
Pat
Pat, try http://www.parmarng.org/freeidaho/default.html , which is a website for my ramblings in metal. Once you get past the initial screen look for Collapsable Plate Holder on the left hand side. Maybe you can satisfy your need with these light weight, collapsable, plate holders. The plates do move quite a bit when you hit them, but they do not fold down like a plate rack. They are always reset, and ready to go, which means you can practice your double taps on them too!
Good Luck ! ! !
Ken Reed
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There has been some speculation... but no official announcement.
(The countdown on IDPA's website would seem to indicate September 26.)
I posted the question on Ted Murphy's IDPAforum (Ted is MD for this year's Nationals), but as yet nobody is giving an official answer.
I suspect that when all the details of date and range use, etc have been firmed up, that a date will be publically announced. I'm standing by patiently!
Ken Reed
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DNTC from Rainier....
There's even a group buy over at AR15.com with some video links as well.
Just ordered one of these comps online, and they gave me the group rate, even thought I didn't know about it at the time. The comp shipped in a few hours after the order. First rate outfit! ! !
Thanks ! ! !
kr
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I'm not sure how that would work out. I don't know about you, but I'm not going to throw one of my shotguns down on the ground so I can draw and fire my pistol a bit faster.
We have done this many times in our IDPA matches, including at night shoots. The club or MD needs to provide a shotgun for the stage, but shooters may use their own. Either way, there is a heavily padded area to set it down, usually an open rifle case on a table.
I wouldn't have thought it possible, but I have seen people miss both poppers at a close distance in these stages. They are a hoot, especially at night when you have to hold a flashlight while shooting the shotgun.
Ken Reed
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We need a LOT of folks posting about the rules in the USPSA forum.
One suggestion. If a new topic were started here or elsewhere for each of the offending changes, I suspect that some useful discussion would ensue.
Just at thought ! ! !
Ken Reed
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anyone use an eotec if so how hard was it to sight in thanks scott
Eotech is a great sight. WHen I put mine on, I adjusted the red dot to sit right on the top of my front sight, when looking through a flip up rear sight and the Eotech at the same time. This bit of homework put me right on when I got to the range.
But if you don't have a front sight, or a rear sight, you should be able to adjust the point of impact very quickly at the range, just like zeroing in a regular scope.
Good Luck,
Ken Reed
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well we just finished up the 2006 Mississippi State this past weekend..
Can you share the COF descriptions please.
Thank you ! ! !
Ken Reed
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should be good to go. in 9mm what will the magazine capacity be?
Looks like 6+1...
Ken Reed
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I could not begin to conceal a gun under a t-shirt. I shot the '05 Idaho match of which Ken speaks, and I couldn't believe that guy had a gun on, and I think it was a Glock in a kydex IWB holster. I usually dress for the weather, so I am often using coats of various weights for cover garments. In the Summer, I wear a big Hawaiian shirt, over a t-shirt, for cover.
Rick,
Thanks again for working that match! ! ! We really needed the help and experience. I appreciated it. Sure missed you this year.
Koski definitely was shooting Glock from IWB. It was good to see him do well. Really nice guy too.
Ken Reed
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freeidaho
Since some of us do not follow the doctrine of Ken Hackathorn, please advise what is the rip technique?
Personally, I believe he will opt for a vest the first time his pistol gets tangled in the T shirt..lol
TightLoop,
I'm no expert, but here goes. The support hand grabs the cover garment just in front of the holster and rips it up vigorously. This motion uncovers the gun and the holster. Then the draw continues pretty much as normal. The support hand is usually slower to catch up with the draw than in a normal presentation.
I suspect it is like anything else, after 10,000 repetitions or more, it get faster.
Ken Reed
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At the last IDPA match I wenet to I decided to get some practice in using my standard carry IWB holster and my normal T-shirt for cover. I've always worn a vest before. I found out that it really wasn't that much slower, which really surprised me.
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The fellow that posts here under "Koski", is the fastest guy I have ever seen using the Hackathorn rip technique. He has taken high overal two years in a row at the Idaho State IDPA match not wearing a vest. The rest of his game is spot on too, but it is amazing to see him draw.
This is notable because it is the exception. Most people are considerably faster using a vest.
Ken Reed
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It looks like:
50% of the clubs are growing,
24% staying the same and
24% are declining in membership.
Ken Reed
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Interesting that this call for more civility should come from a poster who has openly called this entire forum "hateful" and a moderator who has referred to a plating company by name and said, "I despite the ground those people walk on." Interesting.
Mike,
Good point. I however have been moderated, had posts deleted, been given feedback, etc., when I was out of line, per the posting guidelines.
Ken Reed
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Ken, You made an excellent point, and I'm glad you took Duane's advice and posted this thread!
Thank you,
kr
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Exactly why I chose the baby jogger. Muzzles can be up or down depending on local rules.
Ken Reed