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I was wrong on the USPSA rule, it does allow for the guide rod, just no external weight modification in Limited 10.For the IDPA shooters, it is specifically banned to add tungsten guide rods.
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I would perform some of the recoil reduction modifications, but adding a higher weight guide rod is prohibited in Limited 10 USPSA, which is where I compete. I stay out of production and open class. Also, in my side IDPA matches that is an illegal modification. Perhaps some springs changes would help, but the Kimber keeps hammering away and doing quite well. Not worth the effort right now.
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I do have a different .40, it is a S&W 410 or a 4064, can't remember the exact model, but it has far less recoil. I totally agree the feeling is a snap instead of the Kimbers harder but seemingly slower .45 recoil.
Without a doubt I will stay with the Kimber. Another aspect of the XDM I was disappointed with is the crappy rear sight, my goodness did they strip those off of some surplus Hi Points?
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I was shooting factory Federal 180 grain FMJ rounds, nothing fancy, no handloads.
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Yesterday I fired my brand new Springfield XDM 5.25 in .40 caliber, and I was surprised by the level of recoil I had. I regularly shoot a Kimber .45 using 230 grain bullets, and I also shot that yesterday to compare the two. The .45 has much less recoil then the .40. I wish now I would have purchased either a 9MM or the .45 XDM, the .40 offers zero improvement in recovering between shots, and I would say it will not be used for any matches other then a back up.
Very disappointed.
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It will be here on Wednesday. First plastic gun I have ever owned, I am a die hard cold steel .45 1911 shooter. It would take something pretty special to get me to change. I shoot a Beretta 92 in IDPA in 9MM. For some reason I have tried the Glocks, but never liked the feel, or the odd angle it sits in my hand.
Old dogs are real stubborn changing, but I admit I did like the feel of the XDM and the way it fit.
Another odd fact I'd thought to mention, in NW Montana we are not exactly the hotbed of high living and wealth, but when I went in to order my new XDM, the shelves are getting bare. There was a line to order guns, and two other salesmen were filling out BATF forms. I bought the last two boxes of small pistol primers, and if you do not shoot shotgun, there were no primers to be had. The rush is on again, and if you want to have enough powder, primers, and lead, you better buy it. The political landscape is getting nutball again.
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Thank you for the replies. I would buy another Kimber, but to match up woith what I have, I simply cannot afford another one. In addition, the XDM just look like something to start working with and get ready to use when my crusty old body begins to wear down a smidge after each passing day.
Having two guns worth of ammo is not a bad idea anyway. I'm one of those who reloads and matches the loads to the gun. If I had two guns I'd still have a lot of ammo anyway. I would keep shooting major in .40 since I would not want to alter my recoil levels by that much. We have an informal IDPA club up here in MT, and one match I shot a .45 until I had a problem, then switched to the nine. Really throws you off for awhile.
Hey, that would make a neat multi gun match, have the shooters fire two different calibers to take them out of the comfort zone. Now that would be a challenge. Anybody up for that one, I think it would be a hell of a good time? You would really have to adjust what you were doing, and devise ways to compensate.
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Presently I shoot a Kimber .45 in USPSA in Limited 10. I am in the process of wanting to purchase one of the new XDM 5.25 in .40. If for some reason my Kimber fails in a match, (like it did when I switched loads and it jammed like a badly made Raven 25), will it be legal to switch to the XDM if I only load the mags to 10 rounds?
In changing the gun, I would also be changing the caliber, but still making major.
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I checked several models in the non Benelli and SLP market, and by far the choice was the Mossberg 930. I did manage to get mine from Cheaper Than Dirt, but the price has gone up and they are out of stock. I bought the black turkey model, keep in mind you must cover the ports on the 24 inch barrel if you do not want to be put in the Open class. Use some stell shims to cover the ports under the mag/barrel clamp.
With all of the necessary options added, plus getting the loading gate welding up, I invested about $650, and it shoots great. Welding the lifter is a must, I tried speedloading having not done so, and it did it's best to chew my thumbnail off.
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I asked the same question a few months back, and yes, poted barrels put you in open. However, my Mossberg barrel did come with porting, but it was far enough back on the barrel that I made some steel .015 shims and covered the open ports using the magazine clamp to hold them in place. Tried using .008 thick ones, but they creased pretty quick.
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I finally received my Mossberg 930 24 inch ported gun from CTD, and was really happy with the weapon. For a cost of $39, plus $20 in shipping, and $20 for the FFL, it is really a tough bargain to pass up. I added another $170 for a Choate 5 round tube, Limbsaver recoil pad, Choate bolt lever, and a Nordic barrel clamp. Add $15 more for some .008 metal stock and high temp heat paint for a cover of the porting, I feel this is as good a starting shotgun deal as can be had.
The gun came with a front green fiber optic sight, about 1.5 inches long, and also included the red dual tube fiber sight on the rib. I did not know the gun cam with them, and I have to admit the ability to line up a sight picture is vastly improved. The Limbsaver does take some modification to fit, but it does the job. Went to the range and ran three different loads and fired the unit as fast as I could, had zero mis-feeds, the slug I tried were Remington Sluggers, 1 oz which do have some bite. The gun shot right at 3 inches high at 50 yards, but with the 10 degree temperature outside, we will sight it in later with the reduced recoil rounds.
I made one mistake with this purchase, I was reminded I am getting long in the tooth, realizing I still have not gotten used to plastic stocks.I will replace the factory stock with wood when I find some used pieces out there, at least with the Mossberg style plastic, it does not have a comfortable checkering pattern on the forearm, and really bothered me. Maybe it adds weigh, but always stay with what you are comfortable with, there are certainly enough distraction on the competition field without that being an issue.
Oh, yes, the infamous lifter issue. Had I not been the beneficiary of these posts, I would be typing sans one thumb since I certainly would have torn mine off and lost it in the snow. Even being aware of the problem, trying to reload fast was not in the cards, that lifter reminded me of its presence each and everytime. As I asked in another post, where do I send the lifter to in order to get it welded up quickly? That is without a doubt a mandatory modification for the majority of shooters. That or perhaps there are aftermarket lifters available?
All in all, a great deal, and a great starting point to learn the art of this game. Being this is only year two, there is a lot of room for growth, learning, and incredible levels of fun.
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Finally got my new Mossberg 930 in hand, made the modifications I wanted, and headed out to the range. Having read the posts here about welding lifters, I was blissfully aware of watching out for the issue. Had I not paid attention, I certainly would be typing this post minus my thumb, because my thumbnail would be under the snow outside.
If Jeff is the guy to send my lifter to, can someone point me in his direction, or any other shop capable of doing a decent job? If I attempt to do this work, I am certain I will be buying a second lifter from Mossberg.
So jeff can make a good liveing doing them.
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I agree the tube does not put you in a higher class, but on the other hand with the 24" barrel I can always increase the lenght. It is just my personal preference on looks not to extend the tube past the barrel. It is something to consider in the future as I improve. BTW watching the open division is a lot of fun for us beginners, the speed, accuracy, and hours of practice to get there is amazing.
I noticed that the front sight on the Mossberg SPX are fairly tall, but I like the rear sight, but I wonder if going with a rail and if adding the height of the rear sight woiud cause too much of a mismatch for the sights to align correctly.
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also is the entire front ghost ring post metal?
http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?167-Mossberg-930-SPX-Review
Post #12 goes into some detail on the different front sights used on the SPX.
I did not want to go too high in mag capacity because I want to stay out of the Open Division. I am no where near the ability level these guys are, and I see the Tactical division as my best chance to learn and improve. I find when you are a quad trillion seconds behind the leader, your ego can indeed suffer. When I went to my second match last year, I heard what I though was a slow full auto gun being used. Then I understood just how fast some of the optic division guys are, and will work my way up the other levels firstI'm a firm believer that is it more about the indian than the arrow as long as the arrow is workable.
Mag capacity on a tube mag shotgun does not determine division, how many you put in the mag might.
David E.
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I did not want to go too high in mag capacity because I want to stay out of the Open Division. I am no where near the ability level these guys are, and I see the Tactical division as my best chance to learn and improve. I find when you are a quad trillion seconds behind the leader, your ego can indeed suffer. When I went to my second match last year, I heard what I though was a slow full auto gun being used. Then I understood just how fast some of the optic division guys are, and will work my way up the other levels first.
As far as sights go, I went with the simple fiber optic sight, and will mount a rail and add a low rear sight to use for now. I think staying with what I am used to, (870 with a fiber front signt) will enable me to learn, and as I progress, add differnet sight configurations as I get used to the feel of the new gun. Stayed away from the pistol grip because again, with a shotgun I am used to that feel. Pretty hard to relearn 55 years of using certain platforms.
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Holy Somolians, I have lost my collective mind trying to find the perfect answer on a 3 gun shotgun. You can only pour over so many pages of opinions before you finally make a decision before the wife puts you forever out of your misery.
The winner this year is the Mossberg 930, and lord I hope I went the right way. I thought I would list the reasons why and we'll see how successful I am this year. Being a newby to the senior division, it ought to be right interesting.
1. Comparative Price-Hard to beat a low price for a new 24 inch straight grip turkey model. $429 is just downright reasonable.
2. The lower price allows for a lot of room to make changes, modifications, and add the competition parts without pouring well over $1000 into an FLN or even more for the Benellis.
3. The 24 inch barrel allows for a better balance when adding a 5 round extension mag tube. The ports will be sealed via stock metal and the Nordic clamp.
4. An IC choke to replace the full one included was only $20 bucks, now I have a shotgun to use for both 3 gun AND hunting.
5. I certainly belive Jerry M. would not use a Mossberg if he thought he was not presenting a good product,so reliabilty must be improving. Cleaning the gun to keep it running will be something to force me to do proper maintenance.
6. The posts here answer just about every question for performance so there is a wealth of info out there.
7. The number of available accessories was outstanding. No, it does not fit together like the higher end guns, but this is a competition weapon, it really suits its intended purpose.
8. If I drop it, toss it, get it rained or snowed on, or plain kick it 50 yards down the range, no big deal (That usually happens on the first stage anyway.)
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9. If I don't shoot worth a damn, I can always scream "Why didn't I buy the Benelli!!!!!!!!! (Plausible deniability)
So, we shall see indeed, the matches are coming and I'm ready to tinker and otherwise see if I can out run myself, wish me luck.
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Thanks for the replies, they are really helpful. I don't wan to compete in the open class, and I sure can see why you would want the weld job now, the fork on the end could really borrow somw skin at a rather bad time.
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Being new to the 3 gun competition, I am looking at buying the Mossberg with the 24 in barrel, and have three questions. Why cover up the porting, is this a requirement in 3 gun, or does it help the shooter? Second, I keep hearing the need to "weld" the lifter, can anyone show a before and after picture to show what was done, the why is pretty specific.
And finally, I note that many of the new out of the box shotguns for 3 gun like the Bennelli and the Mossberg all have barrels at the 18.5-20 inch lenght. Is there any advantage to the shorter barrel, limiting the mag to 8 rounds seems counterproductive. I know one can add a longer mag tube then the barrel, but I would thinmk balance would be effected.
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Agree with the prior comments, especially the one about loading. As we were developing the TWinS loading systems, I borrowed a friends 20 gauge. For pretty much every kind of loading, the 12 is easier and smoother. This due to the easier to grip size of the 12 as well as the size of the loading port. My 9 year old had trouble with the 20 that he did not have with the 12. When Jim at Firebird was kicking around ideas for a new Open shotgun platform, we discussed at length the various merits of the 12 vs. the 20, they were few and far between. In a size restricted autoloader with box fed magazines, there were some benefits, and Jim got one working. He is building 12 guage open shotguns along the same concept, so that might be a clue.
Given the same weight gun, the 20 kicks a tad less than a 12. But given the platforms, recoil is about the same. My wife and 10 year old both prefer the 12 guage SLP to the 20 guage 1100.
Thanks for the comments gentlemen, I did notice the loading port issue for sure. I ended up with a cut after a high slug count round. I have not shot a .20 gauge auto loader, but on consideration and more study, I found there really are very few shellholder accessories made for .20 gauge. I can say after my surgery, I got to be a really good judge of recoil levels, amazing what a cut on the shoulder will do. I did try shooting a Benelli, an SLP, and I think it was a 930 if I remember right, and the Benelli brought water to the eyeballs.
I have built the shoulder back up, and now am trying to figure out the best deal, the Mossberg or the SLP. At my age I'm not going to win any grand master awards, so what is the opinions of all here on the selection between the two? I have read the Mossberg 935 has issues from a plastic piece that keeps breaking in the stock to a problem of cycling on low power shells, so the 930 is the preference over the 935. So, the question would be is the SLP worth the extra cost over the Mossberg?
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This was my first year participating in the USPSA shooting world, and I'm like most who begin, I started with a 9MM Taurus semi and now use a Kimber Custom .45, built an M4 with more parts hanging on it like a Christmas tree,and got into the 3 gun world also. What is have not not quite figured out the shotgun useage on the 3 gun sport concerning 12 vrs 20 gauge..
Before this season began, I had shoulder surgery to repair my shooting shoulder, and had to be careful and will always have to be careful of recoil. My wife had a youth version of the .20 gauge Remington 870 that I thought would work for the short term. I bought a fiber optic sight that attached to the rib, and purchased a 3 round extension to hold more shells. To me it worked perfectly especially in high round slug matches where the 12 can wear you out.
The question I have is why the 20 gauge is not used more in this sport. Certainly recoil is reduced, slug recoil is much lower, and accuracy is maintained without losing that much power. I have yet to fail to knock down any steel with it even using Wally World 7 1/2 shot. Is there any reason folks prefer the 12 other than the usual mandate of having your teeth cracked from hundreds of rounds of high recoil ammo?
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I'd be very careful on using Berry's 230 grain round nose bullets. At least in my Kimber .45, the nose of the Beryy round flatens slightly on the motion from the feed ramp into the barrel. This causes the pistol to lock up and now you have to clear the jam. I had to withdraw from a match because of this issue. I wnet back and tried different lenghts and power charges to no effect.
While this is more than likely a problem specific to the Kimber, it was the customer service that was dismal. I had ordered 1000 of the 230 grain roundnose, and when I finally figured out what the specific issue was, I was past the time you can return the rounds. I offered to pay shipping both ways if Berrys would trade me for the same amount of a box of unopened 500 roundnose rounds for same number of the flat nose rounds, but they refused. Never do business with them again.
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Has anyone seen some horrible PI on reduced recoil Remington slugs with these guns. Mine is incredibly 4 inches right and close to 6 inches high at fifty yards. I did add an extended IC choke but don't see how that can be the problem. No doubt I have aging years but any ideas on why it would be so far off. It is brand new.