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4 hours ago, kerneldrop said:
I need to up my dry fire volumelol, so does everyone.
dr Mitch is right tho. I dont have any issue drawing to a 25 yr mini popper in DA. It takes me about an extra tenth of a second if the first shot is a really challenging one, but for anything easier than a 15 yard zebra, it's the same first shot time as my 2011s.
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On 12/23/2023 at 4:30 PM, RangerTrace said:
Absolutely no need for a metal grip with 9mm. Don't need the weight of steel and aluminum is more harsh than polymer. Just my opinion.
probably personal preference. I did some back-to-back testing with my free staccato P, shadow2, and atlas titan 40-minor. The staccato had significantly more muzzle flip, but it did also come pretty much back to the same spot pretty quickly. The end result was I'm going to shoot the Atlas until I run out of 40 bullets, and probably sell the staccato. For my personal tastes and experience, I think a 5" barrel on the staccato (and probably a longer dustcover, but maybe not full-length) would be a significant improvement for competition. OTOH, it's a pretty badass carry gun just the way it is..... I would keep it for carry except I already have a p01 that cost $500 and shoots just as well.
I've been very impressed by the build quality and accuracy of my staccato P, but the staccato XL just seems crazy overpriced to me without a metal grip, whether it 'needs' one or not.
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2 hours ago, iukamedic said:
Thought about the 320 x5 legion and max. I’m not wanting something I have replace barrels, etc for accuracy which is an Issue from what I’ve read about the 320 x5’s.
we have a legion x5 and a shadow2. Personally I prefer the S2, but my wife doesn't like DA trigger, so she shot the sig until she moved to open. We found out that our sig preferred .356 diameter bullets, and accuracy was noticeably worse with .355 coated bullets.
I still think the shadow 2 is the simplest route. all i did to mine was put in an 11 lb main spring and 11-12lb recoil spring. Trigger is awesome and the gun is very accurate and easy to shoot without having to screw with alot of stuff.
On the sig we put in a trigger kit and also extended mag release to make it work.
lots of good choices out there however.
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10 hours ago, Sniperboy said:
Just making an observation about how newer shooters at least in our ranges gravitate towards CO and LO instead of open with rare exception. Those who shoot open are typically those who already invested too much sunk cost in their gun and reloading equipment. At least in my impression.
around here we have seen quite a few folks move to open in the last couple years. They started in CO and just naturally took the next step.
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1 hour ago, lroy said:
Lol. The argument for major always comes down to being more manly.
Pretty goofy.
its pretty unmanly to want to take major away from people who enjoy it.
if you don’t like major, don’t shoot it. problem solved.
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21 hours ago, Sniperboy said:
LO will definitely encroach on OPEN very soon when people decide major PF is no longer in style
people who don’t like gripping strong enough to shoot major sometimes think that everyone feels the same. there are still a lot of us out there that prefer real motorcycles over scooters, and margaritas on the rocks over white claw. I would rather shoot grown-up handguns rather than wimpy versions designed for girls and poofs to be able to pass their LE quals. as my wife sez “minor sucks”.
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local shop has some vudoos, and i've seen a couple of them being shot and handled one. I was pretty impressed with the overall feel. I loved the flat trigger, and I definitely prefer the 5" barrel over the shorter versions some folks are making. If I needed a gun I would strongly consider it.
However, I don't think it offers any advantages over my limited gun shooting 40 minor except 3 extra rounds, and with a magwell the extra rounds are meaningless to me. So I'm just going to shoot 40 in LO this year.
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56 minutes ago, Darqusoull13 said:
Is the "popularity" of LO at your club similar to Nationals popularity of LO where a bunch of CO guys slapped magwells on CO guns?
I'm not seeing any of the bougie 2011's locally but we've never really seen those to begin with. I do agree with the point though. My initial hope was the perception of requiring an expensive gun to compete would stop the division before it started.locally i've seen a number of staccatos (some of them are shooting open because of the dorky comp, lol), and a couple vudoos, a dan wesson 2011, plus my 40 minor converted limited gat. Also at least 1 guy shooting a tanfo. I haven't squadded with him so I don't know if he's running starting in SA, but he probably has a magwell.
With LO being new, I'm not surprised that alot people weren't shooting dedicated LO gun at nationals. I suspect many more will be shooting dedicated LO guns in 2024.
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1 hour ago, Racinready300ex said:
That makes sense, I'm sure shooting a 40 adding 10 oz to the gun made it feel better and easier to shoot. I'm not really convinced that a 50+ oz 9mm is going to be better then a lighter plastic gripped 2011. But, you can easily take a prodigy and add a weighted flashlight and get it close to 50 oz.
Your first sentence is a very valid point. As to your second sentence, I had the opportunity to compare my plastic gripped 9mm 2011 (38 oz) with my 50+ oz 40 minor steel-gripped 2011 the last couple weeks. I don't think the heavy gun really needs that much weight, but I don't think it hurts much either, whereas the plastic gun definitely bounces more and is slower on steel and longer shots just because of the extra dot movement.
It would be interesting to add 4-6 oz to the plastic gun and see if that made it perfect.... but the heavy gun feels perfect enough to me that I'm just going to sell the plastic one. Of course I have shot a LOT of rounds through the heavy gun, so it feels far more familiar and comfortable to me coming back to it after 6 months than a new gun with 1-2k through it. Individual tastes may vary.
I'm sure just like the old days in limited we'll see folks buying inexpensive guns to get started in the sport for a year or two, but just like the old days in limited, the vast majority of serious shooters will be using high-end high-dollar equipment.
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matches here are more popular than ever and almost noone knows or cares about whatever stoeger is doing to get clicks.
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2 hours ago, RJH said:
I do believe that most people prefer shooting 2011s, but if you like a Glock or a CZ better, no reason you shouldn't be able to shoot that right alongside the 2011's. In fact that kind of harkens back to the old days of USPSA.
yep, no reason you can’t choose an inferior racing platform. ‘murica!
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4 minutes ago, deerslayer said:
I’m not convinced they all shoot better, but I’ll get it figured out if you loan me a quick $5k. But hwy, I’m the guy who made Master with a G24.
i made M with a bone-stock edge, but my wife and I both made a noticeable improvement in match results when we got better limited guns with heavier grips, lighter triggers, lighter slide and more accuracy.
But even without measurable performance improvement, people will still buy expensive guns because most people find them more pleasurable to own, handle, shoot and work on.
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5 minutes ago, deerslayer said:
I wouldn’t be surprised. The funny part is a $5000 2011 is completely unnecessary to be competitive in LO or Limited.
it's unnecessary in any division, but better guns definitely shoot better, and better costs money. You may feel that you're not giving up enough performance to make a difference to *you* by shooting a cheaper gun, but you are definitely giving up some performance. And most people would rather not leave any stone unturned when it comes to seeking performance through spending money. OTOH, spending time, on practicing or dry-firing..... ain't nobody got time for that, lolz.
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1 hour ago, RJH said:
At a local match the other day I won limited optics with a basically stock prodigy. It has a trigger job on the factory components, a MAG well, and a tlr1. I know I beat three people shooting local custom 2011s, another guy shooting an alchemy custom 2011, there were a few other guys shooting limited optics but I'm not sure what their guns were.
And all of those guys will react to getting beat by spending more money on their guns..... lol....
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2 hours ago, Racinready300ex said:
The plus is now with the prodigy at 1.2-1.4k and the Girsan at 1k, and I hear Tisas might make one. The Apollo 11 is just under 1k. Then there are a few more better options in the 2k range.
Yep, and just like Limited, 11 or 12 people will shoot those cheap guns for a year or two, and then they also will buy $5000+ custom guns.
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3 hours ago, shred said:
The biggest danger for LO is turning into another $5K+ custom gun division.
Yeah, Nils could win it with a stock Canik, but he won Limited with one too.
it is actually inescapable. Every division that allows 2011's immediately becomes a $5k+ custom gun division. That's why its important to not let 2011's into CO.
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4 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said:
I hate it....it makes it to hard to decide what to shoot. IF LO didn't exist, next year I'd shoot my Canik in CO. But, now I can shoot that same canik in CO or add a magwell and shoot LO. Or I can bust out one of my 2011's which I shoot just a tiny bit better anyway and shoot LO.
The struggle is real.
haha, i was having that same struggle until I shot my limited gun in a match with a dovetail optic plate. Most fun (and best shooting) I've done in a while. I am now committed to LO for 2024.
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I have 2 atlases from 2017 when they were a reasonable price. I think they have been vastly overpriced for a few years now, and so we've purchased other new guns from other builders that do real custom work.
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On 10/24/2023 at 5:18 PM, CHA-LEE said:
Yeah, that is why I am choosing to use a slightly higher than normal Minor PF in the 145 - 150 range with the 40 Minor ammo I have loaded. This slightly hotter Minor ammo makes the felt recoil more "sharp" and a little closer to what 9mm ammo feels like. I actually like it when the ammo has a "Sharper" felt recoil as that in of itself forces me to grip the gun hard all the time. All that being said, I am absolutely sure that once I switch to 9mm ammo the felt recoil impulse will feel a lot different than my current 40 Minor ammo.
i loaded up a hundred rounds at 130-135 pf, and a handful of them felt 'extra light'. perhaps just at the low end of what will run the gun, perhaps an issue with such a small amount of powder in a 40 case. I bumped the load up to 140pf and that seems to feel alot more consistent and makes the slide move at a more reasonable speed. Still doesn't move the muzzle a whole lot on a 50+oz gun.
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it looks like it will be a very popular division for lazy people who like to spend money on fancy guns. 9mm 2011's seem to be much less finicky with feeding and magazine issues than 40.
Nonetheless, after shooting a free (but light) LO gun the last month or so, I got my old limited gat set up for LO and shot it yesterday (atlas titan 40 with dovetail dot mount and 140pf ammo). It was pretty darned fun to shoot. I like it quite a bit better than the 9mm I was shooting. Literally took me no time at all to adapt, but I have shot many tens of thousands of rounds through that gun with iron sights.
I think I am going to focus on LO this year since I still have 6-8k 40 bullets and I like the gun. My wife wants to shoot open nats, so I think I'll probably just load major and shoot it in open for a few weeks also. I'm sure I will do better (and spend a ton less $$) than if I buy another open gun and try to learn how to use it between now and then, lol.
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On 12/13/2023 at 7:19 AM, w4rwf said:
Anyone know if the CZ 11 lb spring is too light and what pull weights you are getting?
i have never measured the pull weight because i don't care, but i have had success with the 11 lb spring as long as i use federal or winchester primers. i think cci are probably safe too. with ginex or s&b primers i had to go up to 12lb to get reliable ignition.
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37 minutes ago, shred said:
125 is left over from the days when people shot IPSC with 2" snubby .38 Specials. IMO it could use a revisit based on actual factory 9mm PFs.
factory defensive rounds? or bulk factory ammo that people actually shoot. Seems like alot of it is not much hotter than 125-130.
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8 minutes ago, Bigzona said:
Yes Sir. I swear some pistols are individuals! My wife shoots Shadow 2s in CO. Both have well over 5k rounds, and we've never taken out the extractor for cleaning.
good to know. perhaps just my choice of powder. i should test again now that i'm shooting n320 and see if still starts locking up.
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Just now, Bigzona said:
Agreed. My point is, shooting minor I was going waaaay longer without any issues than I would shooting major.
that is a somewhat reasonable point. I've always preferred to just take care of that stuff *before* I have issues, lol.
fwiw, my shadow 2 will stop running if i don't clean the extractor every 1500-2k rounds, and it's a much bigger pain to clean the extractor. (have to remove the optic).
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nothing wrong with LO. Currently CO is more popular, but I predict LO will end up bigger. Pretty much just depends on what gun you want to shoot.