bob7

I'm not going to beat my position to death because I'm probably wrong. Yes, BigDave's idea about the shooter lineup is an excellent idea. But, why should the observant, hardworking, helpful shooters have to kowtow, kiss butt by calling and conjoling the people that know they're wrong by not helping and are too lazy to make a change. Pardon this simple analogy. It's like when people drive when talking on their cell phones. They know they're not suppose to do it, but they make exceptions for themselves in that instance, which usually turns into all the time. These shooters do the same thing; "I won't help this time. Somebody will cover me." Next thing we know, the club is dead. What they really need is the slide of my pistol wrapped around their head . Thank you for all for the excellent ideas. Maybe USPSA/IPSC can make a concerted effort to emphasize this issue like in the instance w/ the flashy but unsafe "rack and catch" UASC at the end of the stage that can result in a KABOOM. No rule change, just highlight how much lazy shooters are taking away from this sport. bob7

Thanks, Thanks for not jumping all over me for the dictator-like idea. I don't like a forced labor environment either, but I was at a real loss for how to increase the help that's needed to put on a match. I think the lowering of the cost for those that help out is a fine, fine idea. However, I detest having to be the heavy or having to ask people to do what they should already be doing. Having a rule or policy from above gives every club president or match director a fair, even course of action with which to deal w/ the slugs. Arbitration could even exist for match directors/club presidents that abuse the policy. Also, I read alot here about the us vs. them, RO vs. shooter mindset battles. Instilling the imperative role that RO's provide our sport early in a new shooter's thinking, by including a mandatory class, might go a long way to reduce this problem. Thus, being an RO, even if it's every few months and helping out at every match, gets you to that goal of a GM card. I appreciate Dear Leader Voigt's comments about helping out at the beginning of the rulebook, but a lot of people seem to ignore it. For me, and maybe for others, the situation requires a drastic step from the USPSA/IPSC body. It's that bad in some clubs I've shot at and/or been a member at. So far, I like Barrettone's ideas the best. Anyway, thanks for keeping the discussion civil, and keep feeding me the good ideas. bob7

What I like: 1. Shooters that help design stages. Guess what? It helps you figure out how to shoot a stage better. 2. Shooters that show up early and help set up the stages. It helps out the match designer(s) shoot a better match because they're not totally exausted. 3. Shooter that help tear down the stages. Everyone can go drink a beer sooner when everyone helps out. 4. Shooters that help paste, score, and RO. Makes the match run faster to get home or to the beer. Does this happen regularly, on a consistent basis? F--- no. So, in the effort to stay positive, I'd like to suggest a few things. Hopefully, it won't go over like a lead balloon. 1. Require a RO class w/in one year of joining USPSA, and enforce it by having RO records turned in every 4th match. No ROing, no classification. 2. Same for helping out and designing stages. No helping (setting up, tearing down, taping, scoring) for 4 matches in a row then no more classifiers uploaded. No stage designing for 6 classifiers/matches, same. Match director checks the box to verify participation. Feasible? Probably not. But, the LAZY SHOOTERS ARE KILLING IT FOR THE HARD WORKING FOLKS. Joining USPSA/IPSC and shooting matches is a social contract w/ your fellow shooters. Just paying money to show up and shoot is violating that contract. And, I know, all my suggestions will do is encourage sandbagging. bob7

Steve'O, You're an animal, and that was a heck of good match you put on. I like to think it was the racing flames on your hat. Chris

L-10/ time: 7.88/ 58 pts./HF 7.364 Carlos, I'll be moving to N. VA next week and look forward to shooting at Shooter's Paradise around Aug. or Sept. bob7

Steve, Where do you get them? bob7

tightloop, Thanks for bringing this thread back; wouldn't have seen it. I've been thinking alot about this and talking about it w/ friends. The best advise came from a new shooter in our group who played college volleyball. She said her coach would have them visualize what they had to do, ie. bump, volley, spike, over and over again using only positive thought and thinking in real time speed. The key for me was rehearsing in my mind w/ realtime speed. Before, it was slow motion, John Woo Hong Kong movie slow motion. Very dramatic, but useless. I also find it a lot harder to think through a whole stage full speed, but when I get close it has made me shoot better. bob7

Kevin, 150 miles around? Sounds like a lot of travelling, just like here. She's doing fine and happy to be back. How about steve and his online matches? Sat. was first time firing in about a month. Lots of mistakes. Got message. NM 3gun. Didn't mean to hijack thread. Good job, everyone, on this classifier. bob7

Kevin, We did this on the 8th at FBRGC. Limited-10, 11.15, 88 points, hit factor 7.892. Did you find an ipsc club? bob7

I'd like to third that from Steve and Kevin. Mark put a real nice trigger job on my Glock for free and let me borrow three of his hi-caps. Plus, he puts up w/ all of us, or mostly me. He's the most unselfish person I've ever met, and we're all better off for knowing him. Chris

Ray, No, I couldn't describe it the way it occurred for you. I called all the shots, moved my eyes before the gun, and correctly manipulated the trigger reset. Doing that resulted in the good stage time you described. My experience pretty much can be summed up as an out of body thing. It didn't seem like I was shooting. Just did everything right, for once. bob7

Hello, Yes, it felt good, and it was a long time coming. Brian Enos' book and these forums helped alot. bob7

Hey, Reached the Brian Enos Zen Zone at a match today. Finally squashed the worm in my brain, at least for a few stages, that says, "You're Gonna' F- This Stage Up..." Hope the Zen Zone doesn't abandon me after posting this rare occurrence. Whatever my Screen Name Is???