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In 2006 I chrono'd some WW white box and CCI Blazer (brass case) out of a friend's 5" barreled Kimber.
I averaged 10 rounds of each.
WW white box 230 grain FMJ: 844 FPS for 194.120 PF
CCI Blazer (brass case) 230 grain FMJ: 834 FPS for 191.820 PF
Since Major is only 165 PF, both loads make it with room to spare.
YMMV.
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Right now, my S&W 638 has Pachmayr Professional, Model SJ-CP grips on it.
But like Underlug writes, I also have a drawer full of grips that I have tried on various J-frames.
I've used the Uncle Mikes Boot Grip, Pachmayr Compacs, Hogue Monogrips (both the nylon and rubber), as well as the factory wood grips with a Tyler T-Grip adaptor.
Try as many different types as you can, before you buy, IMHO
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Diana and I both wish you a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
And that you get all the wheelgun goodies that are on your wish list.
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My 2007 price list from www.ranchproducts.com had moon clips for 9MM revolvers, the S&W Model 940/Ruger SP-101 5 shot revolvers, @ 4 for $7.99 The price may be different now.
The S&W Model 940 is a J-frame, as is the Model 638. So, a moon clip for a 940 should work on a rechambered 638.
However, there are some differences between the 940 and the 638, even if they share the same frame size.
First, the ammo: The 9MM cartridge works at higher pressures then the .38 special. Examples of 9MM rounds from the Hodgdon reloading website show pressures around 30,000 CUP, with +P .38 special loads showing pressures only around 19,000 CUP.
Secondly, the frame material. The Model 638 is an Airweight (alloy) frame version of the Bodyguard, chambered in .38 special. The Model 638-2 and later versions are rated for +P .38 special.
The Model 940 was a stainless steel frame version of the Centennial, chambered in 9MM. According to The Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, by Supica & Nahas, 3rd edition, only one prototype was made of the Model 942, an Airweight (alloy) frame version.
Bottom line: I would not rechamber an Airweight (alloy) J-frame .38 special revolver to 9MM. I do not know if the cylinder is heat treated to the level needed to contain the higher pressure of the 9MM. Smith & Wesson appears to have only used the stainless steel J-frame in 9MM, so I would also have questions about using an airweight (alloy) frame for a 9MM.
My .02's worth. Now if you can find a Model 940 cylinder, and have it properly fitted to your Model 638 frame.....You could find out for us why Smith and Wesson made only ONE prototype of an Airweight 9MM.
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In the May, 2007 issue of Shooting Times, there is an article by Dick Metcalf and R.L Window titled "Handloading the 9MM for accuracy"
They show the following as a NRA bullseye or PPC load
Bullet: Hornady 124 grain FMJ/FP
Powder: Power Pistol, 6.0 grains
Case: Remington
Primer: Winchester Small Pistol
Velocity: 1,250 FPS
"Bullseye/PPC load provides group average under 2.00 inches at 50 yards from six-inch barreled Springfield Custom Model 1911 pistol."
I hope that helps.
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.38 Special: WW 231 (Winchester). In both +P level loads with jacketed bullets, and target loads with lead wadcutters, works well, with little residue.
9MM: TiteGroup (Hodgdon). It works well with 115, 124 or 147 grain bullets, so you can load light bullet/fast load, or heavy bullet/slow load, with the same powder.
.45 ACP: Clays (Hodgdon). With plated bullets, very clean. I've fired 500 rounds in a single session from my S&W Model 625 revolver without having to brush any excess powder residue out from under the extractor star. That's important to a wheelgunner.
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I started to say; "That's cool!" but thought better of it.
The true follower of The Way of The Wheel, is he using a K-38? If so, that is a neat old-school gun.
My best compliments to all involved.
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Brad: almost all of the .38 special ammo that I have loaded with Bullseye powder was 148 grain hollow base wadcutters, 2.7 to 2.8 grains Bulleye powder, Federal Small Pistol Primers (#100) in mixed brass. This is one of the "classic" target/PPC type loads, producing around 775 to 800 FPS from a 6" S&W Model 14, and a custom PPC revolver with a 6" Douglas barrel.
My reloading notes show that I have tried the following with a 125 grain Zero jacketed hollowpoint bullet:
4.4 grains Bullseye powder
Federal Small Pistol Primers (#100)
mixed brass
980 FPS from a 6" S&W Model 686 revolver
comments: flattened primers (indicating high pressure BUT Federal primers are softer then some other brands, so this is not an absolute sign)
As always, YMMV.
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After doing 28 years in Federal Prison, I was released, Full Term/Expiration of Sentence, NO time off for Good Behavior....
meant to type RETIRED, not RELEASED. Federal Bureau of Prisons
The job title was Correctional Security Officer/Locksmith (Lockshop/Armory/Firearms & Tactical Trainer)
Rocket35: your description of Correctional Officer as Adult DayCare Provider, is more accurate then I'd like to admit. It was the Morning Watch part of that job that convinced me to try another one of the BOP's career's.
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Jane, I hate that I haven't been able to help defend you against the suicidal deer that are out there. but it's not for lack of trying. I've been out there 4 out the last 6 days (so far) of the Kentucky Deer season (modern gun) and haven't seen a buck worth using a 30-30 round on. (I wait until the muzzle loading season in December to go after does)
I hate that the suicidal "Bambi's" are not wandering in front of my muzzle. I missed last weekend's USPSA club match to try to get one, and didn't even see one that day. Don't they know what time of year it is?
The most expensive deer hunt of my life was in 2006, when I used my wife's Oldsmobile Cutlass to bag one out on I-64 near Morehead, Kentucky. Totalled the car (but no human injuries, thankfully) Had to buy She Who Must Be Obeyed a new car, with new car payments, ARRGH!!!!!
I hate that earlier this month, I took photo's of an 8-point buck, and assorted does, IN MY BACK YARD, but since there is a city ordinance about discharging firearms inside the city limits....
(at least I can go out and hunt, right...I am thankful for that)
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My first name is Mike...and it was bestowed on me by my parents a very long time before I took up this sport.
I don't "really" mind hearing my name while the targets are being scored....but all the interesting prefix's before my name that some use....that can be a little depressing.
You know which prefix's I'm talking about, like F*****G, D**N, Another blank-blankity Mike....,
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Pdoyle: one other item that you might consider in setting up the CoF's and exercises is to make sure that your students use the actual equipment that they would have available to them in an active shooter incident.
While running a CoF with a carbine equipped with an ACOG/Holosight/whatever, using a load bearing vest with single point sling, reloading from magazines from a thigh rig, etc...is tacti-cool, hi-speed/low drag etc fun IF that is not the gun and gear that the patrol officer has in the trunk, then the officer isn't really learning how to deal with the problem.
Making sure that your officers train in the uniform, duty holster and belt w/radio/baton/OC/cuffs/magazines etc, is very useful in showing both the strengths and weaknesses of the gear you (normally) have been issued.
Good luck.
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No problem in poaching, SA. I couldn't find my copy of "Death Wish" to refresh my fading memory of that scene.
Thanks for reminding me, and for the bonus answer info.
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John, the bullets are Precision Delta 124 grain FMJ/RN, so you may have to make adjustments with your Montana Gold bullets, but....
Powder: 4.1 grains TiteGroup
Primer: Federal SP 100 (also used Winchester Small Pistol)
Brass: mixed
OAL: 1.130
Chrongraph data: distance 10'
Pistol: Glock 17 (4.5" barrel)
average of 10 rounds: 1074 FPS
Power Factor 133.176
Pistol: Taurus PT-99 (4.9" barrel)
average of 10 rounds: 1086 FPS
Power Factor 134.664
As always, YMMV
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#3: Charles Bronson in "Death Wish"
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A 200 grain .38 special load, as in the old (Winchester)Western .38 Super-Police round ??? Interesting choice.
The ammo factories used to load that bullet to around 730FPS, during the 50's/60's (from the book "Pistols: A Modern Encyclopedia" by Stebbins, Shay & Hammond, 1961)
Anyway, I have some old reloading notes about the following load with a 200 grain round nose lead bullet.
200 grain round nose lead (cast bullet)
3.8 grains of Unique
small pistol primers (Remington 1 1/2)
mixed cases
700FPS (per Lyman Reloading Handbook, 45th edition)
NOTE: my reloading notes are dated 1976.
A friend gave me a cigar box full of these bullets, that had been cast by his friend. I loaded them up, and fired them in a .357 magnum Ruger Security-Six. I recall them to be good plinking loads, but I don't have any notes as to accuracy.
The Unique powder was the older Hercules manufacture, not the current Alliant manufacture.
YMMV, and welcome to the REVOlution!!!
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Don't let Sam fool you Bwana!
Follow Sam in the squad rotation, and you will see some very good ways to shoot any stage.
How do I know this? I spent a very nice Sunday in Ohio getting a serious schooling in the way of the wheelgun, as taught by Hop.
Good luck to all the followers of the Way of The Wheel in Tulsa.
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Fletcher's against, Beshear's for.
BTW: good to see you Sunday in Ohio.
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"most part, harmless" Sue, just ask the no-shoots that I hit if I was harmless
They didn't stand a chance!!!! I thought I'd gotten TWO hits on ONE no-shoot on "In A Match" but a certain fine hat wearing CRO determined that a triangle shaped hole was caused by the plate hitting the no-shoot, not some deformed bullet out of my revolver. Great officiating...and the check is in the mail...
Thanks again to Sue for being the squad mom, it was very much appreciated.
Sue and Steve should be very proud of Sarah. She drove that Open gun with skill and precision, with a whole lot of "Alpha's" Only a couple of years with that pistol....with some more time some other shooters will need to be very worried about Sarah's performance at matches.
41mag claims that he hasn't been shooting revolver very long...he must be a VERY FAST learner.
Redmist: thanks for the tip on the WST powder. Another choice for reloading, and it certainly seems to work very well in your gun.
So your secret of wheelgunning success is to practice little, and shoot less matches....seems to work for you.
Hop: my congratulations on a very impressive win. That classy looking Model 25 certainly seemed to keep homing in on all the A-zones. Good luck next week.
The Ohio Sectional crew put on another fine match. Hop already said it, but I have to also say that this was a very good match for revolver shooters, as well as those "other" shooters.
Diana and I are already looking forward to next years festivities.
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fox34; I'm afraid that I will have to disagree with you on calling this match "Not revo friendly"
I'm a "B" class wheelgunner, and I am signed up for this match (on the Revolver SuperSquad #14)
The two classifiers (CM06-03 and CM99-13) are revolver neutral, with 6 or less rounds required prior to a mandatory reload.
Diablo's three small stages (In a Match, Are these Stages & Why the Heck) are not a real problem for a wheelgun. Why the Heck is ONLY 6 scored rounds...it can't get any more revo friendly then that.
As for the field courses, they all (at least on paper) offer choices and places to break down the stage into 6 shot sections (or less then 6 shots, if needed) While there may be some places where a static reload is forced, most reloads should be able to be made while moving to the next targets.
Most importantly, for this wheelgunner, at least, I don't have to go prone on my belt full of moon clips!!!
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burntcrispy: during part of 2005 I used the following load, with Titegroup powder in my S&W Model 625 revolver with 5" barrel.
Brass: mixed
Bullet: 230 grain FMJ/round nose
Primer: Federal Large Pistol #100
Powder: Titegroup 4.6 grains
OAL: 1.260"
Crimp: .469
Velocity: 736FPS @ 10' (S&W Model 625 revolver with 4" barrel)
Power Factor: 169.280
I should note that I was using Zero brand bullets at that time, for .45 caliber. While I have not used Precision Delta bullets in .45 caliber, I am currently using them in 9MM (124 grain FMJ) and .38 caliber (148 grain lead HBWC). I have been very pleased with the results with those bullets.
This load was accurate in my guns, and I didn't notice any recoil issues. I did have some problems with residue buildup in my cylinder.
So I have changed over to using Clays, with a load of 4.0 grains, under a Rainiers 230 grain round nose plated bullet, and have been getting a velocity of 734 FPS, out of my 5" barreled S&W Model 625.
As always, YMMV.
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Hop, it will be good to be shooting with you in Ohio.
Diana is also looking forward to shooting (again!!!) on a revolver squad with a bottom feeder. She likes it, because she says it makes gaming the stages much easier for her. She watches how the wheelgunners run the stage, counts and marks where we reload, and then copies our plan, with just one change...she reloads every other time we do!!!!
Sue and Sarah...I wish I had thought of that idea for reusing pretzel containers. Very neat idea.
This will be a nice revolver friendly match. No going prone on my belt full of moon clips, and NO SHAKEY BRIDGE!!!!!
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Only a couple of psycho's on the squad.....I resemble that remark.
Wheelguns run with six....there are six wheelgunners in the squad...good omens.
Now just as long as Flex keeps that Shakey Bridge away from the range...it will be a good time.
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Magazine length gauges....what's that????
(another reason for being a follower of the Way of the Wheelgun
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38spl w/ 4"BBL
in 9mm/38 Caliber
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Danva: I have been using the Rainier 158 grain plated flat points since 2004 as my all around bullet in .38 special.
I did not have good results with TiteGroup.
4.0 grains Titegroup
Federal #100 small pistol primers
assorted (very) brass
O.A.L. 1.455
Velocity: 822 FPS for 129.876 PF (S&W Model 10 with 4" barrel)
BUT I had problems with residue in the chambers and under the extractor star, as well as the HOT GUN problem that revchuck noted.
My current IDPA/USPSA load is
4.7 grains WW 231
Federal #100 small pistol primers
assorted (very) brass
O.A.L. 1.455
Velocity: 800 FPS for 126.400 PF (S&W Model 10 with 4" barrel)
For NRA Action Pistol competition I use the 4.7 grains WW 231 load in a S&W Model 686 with 6" barrel, chambered in .357 magnum.
Velocity: 784 FPS for 123.872 PF
These work for me, but YMMV.