Gary H.

twodownzero, I know the trigger is good for a DAO gun but compare it to a good shotgun, 1911, even a Ruger Mark series 22 cal. that has a little attention, and that is what I'm talking about. If I had a trigger on a shotgun or rifle like that, LOL, life would be different! Thanks G-man, there has to be something. Guys like Jerry Miculek that shoot with 10+ trigger pulls and still operate with speed on those type triggers have to have something going on. I just have never tried to figure it out before. I wouldn't worry about it now, but dad gum it, I like this little M & P a lot!

Hi guys, I'm a newbie to larger caliber pistol shooting. Have shot a Mark I Ruger since my youth and am familiar with competetion shotgun shooting. My problem comes when I try to shoot the DAO revolvers or even my new M & P Pro 9 while shooting steel plates. For a newbie, I can post some impressive times with a new Mark III and decent times with my STI Sentry in 9mm. When I pick up the M & P though it takes like what seems forever for that 5/8" or 3/4" length of pull for the DAO trigger. Trigger weight is acceptable on it with a clean break when it gets to that point, but getting it to that point is where I have problems. Do the competetion trigger jobs help with this amount of take-up (sorry for the terminology but thats the best I can do). Is there a technique that I just am not getting? With the length of movement in the trigger, when I try to speed up, I'm pulling the POA/POI off. I've been dryfiring for a couple weeks now and it doesn't seem to be helping. I can control it then but when I get on a run of multiple shots in a row is where I have the problems. Any ideas or do I give up on the DAOs?

sierra77mk, no way that is the issue with the fiber optic. I have to put 1/2 to 2/3 of the fiber optic above the flat rear sight plain to get it to shoot poi at 10 yards. I haven't been shooting this gun lately because of the sight issues. My STI Sentry doesn't have thos problems and I like shooting it just as much. Haven't had time to get down to the club and put it on a bench to check it because of vacation with the family. I'm thinking that the numbers VirginiaTactical threw out there are pretty much what its going to take to get it done with the factory loads. I don't reload right now and finding the heavier ammo locally at a decent price hasn't happened yet. Thanks all for your advice!

All the ammo I've put through it is 115 grain. Haven't tried anything heavier. I've been doing a bunch of draw/dryfire drill work with it. I'm not noticing the front of the gun dipping as I pull the trigger but I don't know if that is something that a pistol novice can pick up on. Not sure what the ball and dummy drills are but I'll do a search. I can get my hits on the plates with it the way it is now, I just have to remember to aim at the top of the plate. Its a little overwhelming everything that a novice has to remember when he hears the beeper. Add to that remember aiming high is just another thing that sometimes gets forgotten.

Was hoping to get some bench time at the range today but that didn't work out. Thanks for the Dawson site. I"m sure I'll be utelizing it soon although I'm going to try some other things first. It seems that I shoot lower the faster I try to shoot. Possibly a trigger pull issue. This is my first DAO gun and I'm not used to them. I haven't shot the Glock quickly so I'm not sure if I'd be doing the same with that. I know when I shoot slow fire at the local indoor range, I shoot about 2" low at 15 yards with this gun. The trigger on this gun is about as good as any DAO I've shot and I have no complaints with it, but it may take some different technique that I'm not catching onto. I'm not thinking ammo issue either. I've put 3 different factory brands through it and they all seem to be doing the same thing. Not reloading yet.

I'm a new shooter when it comes to larger caliber pistols but have shot competetive trap, sporting, and a little skeet. Have also hunted for over 30 years some with rifles and small caliber pistols. Have recently picked up shooting steel plates and IPSA. Anyhow, I'm having to hold about 5" high at 20 yards with my new M & P with the fiber optic front sight. Don't have that problem with my Ruger Mark III 22/45 (with F/O front sight), my Kimber Raptor (night sights), or the wifes Glock 27 (night sights). Basically, I have to float the fiber optic bead above the rear sight for the poa to be the same as the poi. Am I doing something wrong or is there a simple fix for this? I like being able to pick up the F/O sight so easily as my vision has been giving me some problems in recent years.I asked someone to shoot it last weekend to see if it shot low for him. At 15 yards, he was 2" low the first 2 shots then the last 3 shots were on the bullseye so I don't know if he altered his hold point or not Do I have any options, am I doing something wrong, or do I just learn to shoot this thing the way it is?